He's basically Hakeem reincarnated with bad knees.
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The Tiger crowd often points to the fact that Nicklaus played a lighter load of tournaments and focused more exclusively on the majors. Tiger has 82 PGA Tournament victories to Jack's 73.
But, yeah, there's not a more dramatically clear example of an athlete's career getting abbreviated by injuries that are his fault (not the sports') than Tiger's.
Douchebag K
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such a shame saw him in person a few times just before his fall from grace. He was so dominant for the best part of a decade It still beggars belief that there isn't a bigger shadow of using PEDs over him when his body changed so dramatically over such a short period of time
Douchebag K
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maybe a little less agile but yeah not far off it
Yeah, bad knees will do that to your agility.
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even at his peak though I mean Hakeem was a freaking ballerina
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Embiid is absolutely a PF posing as center. Just look at how many paint touches he has. On a per game basis, only 4.8 out of his 71 touches in total were in the paint. That's good for 6% of his total offense. And that's coming from his prime MVP season. If you watch his game just a bit closer he plays nothing like a center. More like a Dirk nowitzki type who initiates offense from the elbow or even out on the perimeter.
Players Paint Touch | Stats | NBA.com
A table featuring paint touch information for each player in the league based on selected filters.
And likewise it's extremely difficult to have an intelligent conversation when you are just nitpicking some of the most random things I said (that was true btw) then ignore everything else I said including my main argument.
Douchebag K
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Embiid is absolutely a PF posing as center. Just look at how many paint touches he has. On a per game basis, only 4.8 out of his 71 touches in total were in the paint. That's good for 6% of his total offense. And that's coming from his prime MVP season. If you watch his game just a bit closer he plays nothing like a center. More like a Dirk nowitzki type who initiates offense from the elbow or even out on the perimeter.
Players Paint Touch | Stats | NBA.com
A table featuring paint touch information for each player in the league based on selected filters.www.nba.com
And likewise it's extremely difficult to have an intelligent conversation when you are just nitpicking some of the most random things I said (that was true btw) then ignored everything else including my main argument.
i mean you're a dumbass who likes to run his mouth so there's that
Because I cant really converse with someone so stupid.Embiid is absolutely a PF posing as center. Just look at how many paint touches he has. On a per game basis, only 4.8 out of his 71 touches in total were in the paint. That's good for 6% of his total offense. And that's coming from his prime MVP season. If you watch his game just a bit closer he plays nothing like a center. More like a Dirk nowitzki type who initiates offense from the elbow or even out on the perimeter.
Players Paint Touch | Stats | NBA.com
A table featuring paint touch information for each player in the league based on selected filters.
And likewise it's extremely difficult to have an intelligent conversation when you are just nitpicking some of the most random things I said (that was true btw) then ignore everything else I said including my main argument.
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Does embiid stay away from the paint on defense though? Since we are talking about jokic offense then the discussion would be concerning dudes who guard him.Embiid is absolutely a PF posing as center. Just look at how many paint touches he has. On a per game basis, only 4.8 out of his 71 touches in total were in the paint. That's good for 6% of his total offense. And that's coming from his prime MVP season. If you watch his game just a bit closer he plays nothing like a center. More like a Dirk nowitzki type who initiates offense from the elbow or even out on the perimeter.
Players Paint Touch | Stats | NBA.com
A table featuring paint touch information for each player in the league based on selected filters.
And likewise it's extremely difficult to have an intelligent conversation when you are just nitpicking some of the most random things I said (that was true btw) then ignore everything else I said including my main argument.
jom2003
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Yeah he's a 5 on defense but we are talking about offensive skillset though. And I do believe sixers had the right idea when they signed Horford but they pivoted way too fast and didn't really give enough time for the twin tower to mesh. It was like us getting rid of Mike after his first season. And its not like Horford was bad for them either. Not having an “Aaron Gordon” burnt Embiid and now his leges are totally cooked.
Oh wow, Haliburton's shot just now. Wow.
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Incorrect.
We are talking about if jokic would be this good offensively if he played against true 5's guarding him.
That means Jokic defenders is what we are talking about in this Jokic centric discussion. What embiid does on offense doesn't stop Jokic when he is on offense.
If anything jokic having to run more to guard bigs that can play away from the rim like he does in today's NBA would possibly hurt his offense due to him expending more energy on defense.
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That's what Aaron Gordon is for though. They had a guy who could switch out so they can just let Joker stand around and play drop coverage to save energy knowing Gordon could run that extra distance for him, which was the exact thing we lacked when we had Rudy. As soon as Rudy is drawn out of the paint, it's basically game over for us cuz all we had was a 6'4 Royce and Bogey.
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It's clear that you lack objectivity and love to move them goal posts
We are done here. Ignore list it is.
Lmao at "blaming the era". That works for Wilt who played against part time basketball players who sold shoes for their day time job, but thats such a crappy argument otherwise. You play in the era you play in.
Like take prime Shaq and put him in 2025 and he would probably be considered a defensive liability because he cant switch, cant guard the perimeter, cant guard anything but big (non stretch) 5s. So he benefited from an era where 5-out ball wasnt even invented, and most bigs had no ball skilll nor could they shoot.
Sure he could probably shut down Zion and slow down Giannis, but most other stars of 2025 would absolutely FEAST on Shaq being on the court. Steph would probably chase him off the court.
We actually got to see Shaq in a modern offense in the Suns, and he was quite good even past his prime, but defensively he was really bad, and that was before every other team was also playing that modern style. He would have had his late career post-prime/but still very good cut way short in the modern game if he didnt manage his weight.
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Era does matter though especially when it comes to offense. It used to be a high scoring affair when teams score above 120 in a game. Now we have teams averaging 120pts per game. Teams were just more physical and more defense orientated in the previous eras and there are multiple essays/video analysis on the NBA rule changes that simply encouraged more offense. You said Steph would chase Shaq off the court. First let's pretend an absolute havoc that is Shaquille O'neal wouldn't be able to chase everyone else off the court with his dominance in the paint, who is to say Steph would still be Steph if let's say, handcheck wasn't removed to massively buff the perimeter players?
The video made the argument that Joker is the offense GOAT cuz he's got the highest OBPM, the same stats that rated Trae Young ahead of Kobe, AD ahead of Shaq, Lillard ahead of Bird, etc.
Dont get me wrong, Joker is massively talented and currently on course to become the great center of all time. But I wouldn't rate his offense as the greatet ever over the likes of MJ and LBJ just because some stats suggest. Stats need to be put into context that's all I'm trying to say.