I'd say she's wrong. But she's responsible for acting on how she believes God is leading her in her life, just as I am responsible for acting on how I believe God is leading me in mind. If she's sincere about it, I'll let God be the judge.
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I'd say she's wrong. But she's responsible for acting on how she believes God is leading her in her life, just as I am responsible for acting on how I believe God is leading me in mind. If she's sincere about it, I'll let God be the judge.
seattlejazzfan
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Too many people overthink this stuff. If you enjoy it and/or it makes you a better person to be mormon, catholic or whatever, then do it. If you are already a great person or you are better without religion, then go that route.
Feelings, arguing about which is right or true or whatever, all seems pretty much irrelevant to me. Do what makes you happy and if you care, that which makes the world a better place.
I'm an active mormon, but couldn't give two ****s if it's true or not. It makes me better, happy and I like what it does for my family. It's really that simple.
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Feelings, arguing about which is right or true or whatever, all seems pretty much irrelevant to me. Do what makes you happy and if you care, that which makes the world a better place.
I'm an active mormon, but couldn't give two ****s if it's true or not. It makes me better, happy and I like what it does for my family. It's really that simple.
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I agree with this. But it does make it awful hard to discuss the "spirit" when she describes the same experience as we do for a completely opposite answer.
green
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Here is an honest question, and I hope is a reality someday:
What will happen if Elder Christofferson is the prophet someday, and he finds himself wrestling with a subject very much like the prophet did with the priesthood, except this time, it is about his brother, a very active LDS member...who is gay?
What happens if now President Christofferson gathers the 12 around (who by this time will be much more liberal and accepting of the LGBT community due to the way things are when they grow up) and they all agree with the new prophet, that the anti-LGBT marriage/temple rules are too discriminatory. So, they all decide to pray, receive the same revelation the 1st presidency and quorum received with African Americans, and decide to allow LGBT marry, receive temple blessings, etc.
What makes all this possible? The Church throwing Brigham Young under the bus recently with his anti-AA priesthood policies. They can now write a manefesto throwing all the current/previous leaders under the bus, calling them bigots, etc and say that our Heavenly Father loves all his children and we have now seen the light.
Me, I'll celebrate that day. How will a lot of members feel about that? Especially after all the fights that have been put up with the marriage issues currently going on?
Would you guys be okay if/hopefully when that happens?
What will happen if Elder Christofferson is the prophet someday, and he finds himself wrestling with a subject very much like the prophet did with the priesthood, except this time, it is about his brother, a very active LDS member...who is gay?
What happens if now President Christofferson gathers the 12 around (who by this time will be much more liberal and accepting of the LGBT community due to the way things are when they grow up) and they all agree with the new prophet, that the anti-LGBT marriage/temple rules are too discriminatory. So, they all decide to pray, receive the same revelation the 1st presidency and quorum received with African Americans, and decide to allow LGBT marry, receive temple blessings, etc.
What makes all this possible? The Church throwing Brigham Young under the bus recently with his anti-AA priesthood policies. They can now write a manefesto throwing all the current/previous leaders under the bus, calling them bigots, etc and say that our Heavenly Father loves all his children and we have now seen the light.
Me, I'll celebrate that day. How will a lot of members feel about that? Especially after all the fights that have been put up with the marriage issues currently going on?
Would you guys be okay if/hopefully when that happens?
Such is modern day revelation, I suppose.
Yes, I'd be OK with it if it happens. No, I don't think it will.
Batman
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Would never happen. Or at least, It does not seem possible. Why you ask?
First, the priesthood thing is different. It's not a matter of sin but of timing. All throughout biblical history certain groups did not hold the priesthood. Consider for just a moment that for quite a while the only tribe that was allowed to have the priesthood was the tribe of Levi. Heck even the Gentiles (non Jewish) were not allowed to be taught the gospel for a while. It's all about timing.
Second, I have always been taught that homosexuality is a sin in God's eyes and it is pretty clear from biblical text that it is (One of my best friends is gay and married to a man so please don't think I hate gay people. I do think it's weird. I can't imagine being attracted to a man sexually. The idea grosses me out But I still love my gay friend the way I love my straight friends. Heterosexually). At one point the bible says "thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind. It is an abomination before me." Allowing gays to be married for time and all eternity would make no sense. God ordained marriage to be between a man a woman for the purpose of procreation, if you are looking at it from a theoretical point of view. And God does not condone sin. If the church allowed that they would pretty much be saying God has changed his mind about the nature of Marriage and that would pretty much disprove God.
jazzlurker
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Well I'm in a pickle then. I'm a hermaphrodite. Can I get the priesthood even though I have a set of milk bags and twig and berries? I'm soo lost...
Batman
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It seems the Hermaphrodite quandary has been thrown at me multiple times, and always as a means to make my faith look like a sham. Honestly, As Nephi says, "I know that he loveth his children, But I do not know the meaning of all things." I guess if I was a hermaphrodite, I would seek God and the answers to such questions see what I found.
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♪alt13
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The Christian god changes his mind all the time and science is forcing people to interpret parts of the bible that were once (and I would argue intended to be) taken literally. Why would this particular change disprove god?
seattlejazzfan
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Not only would I be okay with it, I disagree with the church on this issue, so I'd be thrilled.
jazzlurker
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Batman, sham was never insinuated. Don't assume I'm not Mormon myself. In your opinion, should I be a part of the bishopric or relief society? Why should I be denied spiritual gifts based off of "man's" opinion? Dominion over animals, cultivation of the land, or have the ability to bless the sacrament, baptize, and ordain others to the offices of priest, teacher, and deacon? I guess if my doctor would have removed my additional genitalia or if I performed the eunuchisation myself it wouldn't be a question. Does a soul have a gender? You could tell me to go f myself but I could get pregnant.
green
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I think the responses show a HUGE shift in thinking. I chose Elder Christofferson because he has a brother who is an amazing LDS church goer. Homosexuality is his only sin that keeps him from temple blessings.
Once upon a time, it was taught as doctrine that AA would never receive the priesthood (even though now the church denies it was taught as doctrine). Times changed, liberal ideals crept into the youth of the church. That youth grew up, became the leaders, received revelation to grant the priesthood to AA's. Then future leaders were liberalized enough to go back, rewrite history, and say former leaders were not inspired and taught incorrect doctrine.
What makes anyone think that won't happen again, as our future leaders become more and more accepting of the LGBT lifestyle?
And I don't buy the "homosexuality is a sin in the bible so it will never happen" argument.
The Bible says people with darker skins are cursed because of their sins and our church taught because of those sins that warranted the curse, they would not receive the priesthood either.
Once upon a time, it was taught as doctrine that AA would never receive the priesthood (even though now the church denies it was taught as doctrine). Times changed, liberal ideals crept into the youth of the church. That youth grew up, became the leaders, received revelation to grant the priesthood to AA's. Then future leaders were liberalized enough to go back, rewrite history, and say former leaders were not inspired and taught incorrect doctrine.
What makes anyone think that won't happen again, as our future leaders become more and more accepting of the LGBT lifestyle?
And I don't buy the "homosexuality is a sin in the bible so it will never happen" argument.
The Bible says people with darker skins are cursed because of their sins and our church taught because of those sins that warranted the curse, they would not receive the priesthood either.
I've always wondered about this.
I can't answer all questions but yes your soul and everyone's soul has a gender. Spiritual blessings come from obedience to commandments from God. The other questions are more difficult to answer. I haven't given a lot thought to them.
It all depends on who you believe God is. I believe in the a Heaven Father married to a Heavenly Mother. I am one of their spirit children. Part of temple marriage is that is a step to trying to be more like God. So how can something help bring you closer to God if it fundamentally different-- Father Mother vs same sex marriage.
Go wherever you feel more comfortable. If it's in with the men, great. If it's in RS, great. If anybody has a problem with it, screw them.
Just out of curiosity, and if you don't want to answer it I understand, but what do you do? What has your Bishop counseled?