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The OFFICIAL don't draft Joel Embiid thread

Beantown said:
A hall of game coach called him "one of the most dominataing players in NCAA history".....
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1. He was one of the most dominating defensive players in NCAA history. Dude was a super long, space eater, and not much else.

2. It was his own coach...

Beantown said:
He was one season away from the all time leader in blocked shots in college basketball....
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and? Take a look at Embiid's fluidity, footwork, touch, feel on offense. Thabeet was basically the NCAA equivalent of Mark Eaton, which doesn't work in the athletic environment of the NBA today.

Beantown said:
How dumb and blind are you?....Thabeet was supposed to be the next great big man in the NBA.
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********. He was a reach in a one-player draft.

The comparison is terrible. The two players are nothing alike. Thabeet never scored or rebounded (on a per minute basis) as well as Embiid has so far this season. Thabeet never showed any real offensive or athletic ability.
 
dalamon said:
Honestly Jim, just watch one of the Kansas games that TSN always airs (because of Wiggins). You'll quickly realize that this dude isn't Sene, or Thabeet.
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Ok. Watched highlights of two more games. He's better than Thabeet. He actually put the ball down once and shot outside the paint once. He's still not someone I can see being a first option on a good team.
 
JimLes said:
Also, even if Embiid reaches pB]his best case scenario(Ibaka or Bynum)[/B]
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That's not his best case scenario.



isn't the whole purpose of the tank to get a number one option because we currently don't have one? How would drafting a complimentary player help the Jazz? I mean, even Dwight Howard has turned out to be simply a nice complimentary player, and we should spend our number one pick on the second coming of Serge Ibaka?
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It's because big-men with a) elite post-moves b) elite defense c) superb passing skills are MUCH more than a complimentary player. Players with those 3 facets are the players that build dynasties-- and despite the fact that they might have formidable bust-potential, that's why you keep a close eye on them, and swing for the fences if you manage to get a chance at them. Name 3 big-men currently in the NBA who can claim to have those traits. Ibaka doesn't NEARLY have the court-vision that Embiid does (watching Kansas games, and not highlights would help you realize this). Love has great vision, poor defense. Blake has okay passing, good scoring, but poor defense. Duncan is almost retired. Notice the trend? Even Kanter and Favors, if they manage to secure both categories (unlikely) will never have Embiid's vision.
 
GVC said:
1. He was one of the most dominating defensive players in NCAA history. Dude was a super long, space eater, and not much else.

2. It was his own coach...

and? Take a look at Embiid's fluidity, footwork, touch, feel on offense. Thabeet was basically the NCAA equivalent of Mark Eaton, which doesn't work in the athletic environment of the NBA today.

********. He was a reach in a one-player draft.

The comparison is terrible. The two players are nothing alike. Thabeet never scored or rebounded (on a per minute basis) as well as Embiid has so far this season. Thabeet never showed any real offensive or athletic ability.
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One player? He was picked over James Harden, Ricky Rubio and Stephen Curry. Two of the guys are top 10 players in the league right now. If not top 5...
 
JimLes said:
Also, even if Embiid reaches his best case scenario(Ibaka or Bynum), isn't the whole purpose of the tank to get a number one option because we currently don't have one? How would drafting a complimentary player help the Jazz? I mean, even Dwight Howard has turned out to be simply a nice complimentary player, and we should spend our number one pick on the second coming of Serge Ibaka?
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His ceiling is hakeem olijuwan.
Is hakeem a complimentary player
 
JimLes said:
Ah, nothing quite like knocking down strawmen. I'm asking for proof of his offensive ability, and you'd think you'd be able to do that. Whether you believe that will sway me or not is not the point. Provide proof, then worry about that.
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He didnt say he couldnt show you proof..... he said he doesnt need or want to.
 
Beantown said:
Gobert..

Dwight Howard...

NIkola Vucecic....

Chris Kaman....

Tim Duncan...

Jason Smith...

Dirk....

Anthony Davis...

Tyson Chandler...

Andrew Bogut...

Joakim Noah...

Omer Asik....

Alex Len...

I'm getting bored....tell me if you want more....
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Jason smith nope
Anthony davis nope
Joakim noah nope
 
Beantown said:
Gobert..

Dwight Howard...

NIkola Vucecic....

Chris Kaman....

Tim Duncan...

Jason Smith...

Dirk....

Anthony Davis...

Tyson Chandler...

Andrew Bogut...

Joakim Noah...

Omer Asik....

Alex Len...

I'm getting bored....tell me if you want more....
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Notice that almost everyone on that list is a pretty damn good player.

Makes me want embiid even more tbh
 
fishonjazz said:
His ceiling is hakeem olijuwan.
Is hakeem a complimentary player
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Hakeem was one of the greatest NBA players of all time. All freaking time. Top 10 easily, and arguably top 5. His list of accomplishments is ridiculous. Here is a player who isn't even the number one option on his college team, but he's going to be like Hakeem.
 
dalamon said:
It's because big-men with a) elite post-moves b) elite defense c) superb passing skills are MUCH more than a complimentary player. Players with those 3 facets are the players that build dynasties-- and despite the fact that they might have formidable bust-potential, that's why you keep a close eye on them, and swing for the fences if you manage to get a chance at them. Name 3 big-men currently in the NBA who can claim to have those traits.
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1. Who has what traits in the NBA matter little here. Embiid does not play in the NBA nor has he tested himself against proper opposition. College basketball is several levels below NBA. It's amateur basketball. You cannot claim Embiid has NBA-level elite anything.

2. Aside from elite college defense, I haven't seen any of the other things. He averages a little more than an assist a game, so I suppose maybe I'm asking too much when I try and find video of his superb passing.
 
JimLes said:
Hakeem was one of the greatest NBA players of all time. All freaking time. Top 10 easily, and arguably top 5. His list of accomplishments is ridiculous. Here is a player who isn't even the number one option on his college team, but he's going to be like Hakeem.
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Olajuwon also averaged 8.3 PPG in college in his freshmen year (while averaging 2.5 BPG), 13.9 PPG in his sophomore year, and then peaked at at 16.8 in his junior year.

Should we have casted away Olajuwon as a nobody after his frosh year cuz he couldn't assert himself as a first option, and he had history of playing soccer/didn't play basketball for a good portion of his life?
 
JimLes said:
Hakeem was one of the greatest NBA players of all time. All freaking time. Top 10 easily, and arguably top 5. His list of accomplishments is ridiculous. Here is a player who isn't even the number one option on his college team, but he's going to be like Hakeem.
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Dont shoot the messanger.

The experts who watch his every move and make a living evauluating players are the one comparing him to olijuwan.... but ya i have embiid play alot and i see the similarities to hakeem also.

Was hakeem one of the greatest players of all time when he was a college freshman? I would bet he improved between his freshman year of college and his nba retirement.
Embiid will have the same opportunity to improve as well
 
JimLes said:
So you believe Embiid is going to be the first player in more than 20 years to put up a quadruple double?
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Im not gonna say he cant. (He had 8 blocks in the last game i watched him in along with over 10 pts and rebounds in limited minutes and the shortened college game)
 
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