The Official Enes Kanter can be a stretch 4 thread.

[MVP]

You mean like Malone warming up at the all star game shooting half court shots?

That's bad example. All star game is celebration, fun filled event for fans where you can goof around. Practice or pregame warmup is serious business.

 

[JAZZGASM]

Passing and not being confident are Kanter's biggest issues. His defense is ok (not great). Ty's defensive scheme last year was bad. Hopefully Quin will work with the team to play D as a unit.

DL said at the start of last year that Ty would be judged on defense. The Jazz finished dead last in defense. I'm guessing Quin will be judged on more than D, but I hope for his sake he makes it a priority.

If Enes would be confident on the post and learn to pass when necessary, he would be a beast on the post. I think he has the capability, he just needs the confidence and coaches to teach him how to react to different situations.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I agree that his passing and defense need work if he is going to be succesful with Favors, or just successful in general. Thankfully, Kanter just turned 22, and his passing HAS gotten better each year. Since passing is a team concept, and Kanter hasn't had the luxury of playing with teams as often as other prospects, I don't think we should be writing him off because he started out as a bad passer, but rather we should monitor how the skill is developing.

Kanter has increased is AST% every year that he has been in the league.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kanteen01.html

He started out at 1.4 AST%, which was pitifully low, but has since worked that up to 6.4%.

I think looking at Marc Gasol's stats compared to Kanter's is unfair, because Gasol was 24 when he entered the league, is a great defender, had been coached extensively, and had a brother to hone his game with (Kareem Kanter isn't NBA caliber). I think his counterpart of Randolph is still unfair, but more appropriate.

Randolph's AST% has bounced up and down throughout his career, but I think it is worth noting that at 21 (first season above 1k minutes), his AST% was 5.7%. Kanter played above 1k minutes at 20, and his AST% was 5.0. At 21, Kanter upped his AST% to 6.4. Randolph took a big jump the following year, and now his AST% for his career hovers at 10.3%. I think Kanter can easily hit the 10.3% mark once he is developed and more confident in his game.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/randoza01.html


Kanter can be our Randolph, but w/ a 3 ball. Favors needs to up his D and passing if he is going to be our Gasol. Right now his AST% is at 7.3. Gasol's career AST% is 13.7%.

Gasol entered the league at 24, and posted a 9.7 AST% his first year. Favors is 22. I still believe in the Favors and Kanter duo very much. Randolph didn't make the all star team, or team up w/ Gasol until he was 28. Gasol didn't enter the league until he was 24. Favors is 22, and Kanter just turned 22 as well. Big men develop slower, so sit back and be patient.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gasolma01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/favorde01.html

I appreciate the research... You like Kanter... I don't see the big upside. I hope I'm wrong.

His Ast % puts him at #347 in the league last year... he made progress I just think he won't ever be a good passer. It's not just assists. He holds the ball too long before making the intermediate pass. I can live with him not getting assists if he just becomes a willing ball mover.

One Caveat... The Jazz have done this for years and I don't understand why... They have the big guy hold the ball at the top of the key for a few seconds while people make worthless cuts and it ends with them passing the ball back out to the wing after getting nothing for 5 or 6 seconds. WTH are they supposed to do with the ball in that position when: none of them are shooters, they aren't good passers, and the worst place to try and pass the ball is from the center of the court down the center of the court. I have confidence Snyder will get rid of it.

I'll be patient this year since I think we have a real coach who might try and put players in a position to succeed, but I'm really skeptical on Kanter.

 

[JAZZGASM]

I appreciate the research... You like Kanter... I don't see the big upside. I hope I'm wrong.

His Ast % puts him at #347 in the league last year... he made progress I just think he won't ever be a good passer. It's not just assists. He holds the ball too long before making the intermediate pass. I can live with him not getting assists if he just becomes a willing ball mover.

One Caveat... The Jazz have done this for years and I don't understand why... They have the big guy hold the ball at the top of the key for a few seconds while people make worthless cuts and it ends with them passing the ball back out to the wing after getting nothing for 5 or 6 seconds. WTH are they supposed to do with the ball in that position when: none of them are shooters, they aren't good passers, and the worst place to try and pass the ball is from the center of the court down the center of the court. I have confidence Snyder will get rid of it.

I'll be patient this year since I think we have a real coach who might try and put players in a position to succeed, but I'm really skeptical on Kanter.

I agree that Kanter needs to make quicker decisions and learn to be an effective passer off of the double. Quin should make the entire team watch the Spurs/Heat series a dozen times each before training camp to watch effective passing.

If you are talking about the UCLA offense, the pass to the top of the key has many available options. The power forward makes a down screen that can get him open for a low post shot and it also allows the wing to curl for a 15 foot jumper. If you have a good passing center it is a great place to be. However, the Jazz "ran" the UCLA offense, but they didn't set effective screens. Everything was half-hearted. It was sickening. When the Stockton era team ran that set, the screens were hard and players got open. The flex offense has a similar set where the center gets the ball on the wing and again is supposed to have a few options off of screens, but usually on the flex offense the center is near the block. This team was lacking in so many areas last year, and effort appears to be at the top of the list.

 

[HighlandHomie]

This Has Got To Be The Dumbest Idea I Have Heard All Year Just In Regards To Basketball Because After My Girlfriend's Daughter Moved Back In Since Graduating College I Have Heard Her And Her Friends Chatting In The Living Room And They Take The Cake For Dumbest Ideas I Have Heard All Year. Kanter Is A Bulldozer With Skill And Just A Freaking Kid Man. He Will Learn To Get Better. He Has Showed His Improvement Each Season From Whenever I Catch A Game. Even Though The Kid Has Nice Touch And Can Shoot Doesn't Mean You Take Someone That Strong Around The Basket Away From It Permanently. I Keep Reading And Hearing About Players Being A Stretch Four And Just Laugh At The Progressive Political Correctness Crowd Because If I Take It To Seriously I Will Get Depressed And Probably Fill That Emptyness And Hopelessness For Life By Gambling Again Or Something. But Their Winning There Mission And George Carlin Must Be Rolling Over In His Grave. Power Forwards Who Played Away From The Paint Are Called Soft In My Book Not A Stretch Four. Kanter Isn't Soft He Is Tough And I Bet The New Coach Would Spit On The Idea Of Telling Kanter "Hey Even Though You Kick The **** Out Of Grown Men And 10 Year Vets In The Post We Want You To Just Screen And Shoot From The Perimeter."

I agree about keeping him on the block on offense, but jesus christ dude - learn how to type.

 

[Sexual Favors]

I think quicker passing comes with experience and habits. Same thing with rotating on D. Kanter hesitates when he is unsure, and then the action comes too late. Fortunately, he is a player who is relatively new to the game doing this, and young, and there are signs that this behavior is happening less frequently as his experience increases. Defense, and reading defenses to make passes are both skills that come from playing team ball, which Kanter is still very new to. Since the Jazz won't be made contenders by trading him, since our other pieces are still developing themselves, I am content with being patient, as I believe it will pay off in the long run. I think the player we will see in 3-4 years (when he is barely 25-6), will be exceptional, and well worth the wait.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think quicker passing comes with experience and habits. Same thing with rotating on D. Kanter hesitates when he is unsure, and then the action comes too late. Fortunately, he is a player who is relatively new to the game doing this, and young, and there are signs that this behavior is happening less frequently as his experience increases. Defense, and reading defenses to make passes are both skills that come from playing team ball, which Kanter is still very new to. Since the Jazz won't be made contenders by trading him, since our other pieces are still developing themselves, I am content with being patient, as I believe it will pay off in the long run. I think the player we will see in 3-4 years (when he is barely 25-6), will be exceptional, and well worth the wait.

That's reasonable and I hope you are right.