The Official Give Hill Whatever He Wants Thread.

[Game6Conley]

Yeah, George Hill is a small fry but Jeff Teague is the Messiah and fringe starter Aminu would have been our Savior. You're a ****ing clown, bro.

25yo Jeff Teague on a 45-50MM contract for the last 3 seasons, One of which he was an All-star and Trey Burke played 30mpg for Utah, plus this season is a whole different story than

20+MM a year, 4 years for a 31 year old, with pending negotiations with Hayward, and then Exum/Favors/Hood the next summer.. don't forget surrendering the 12th pick in the draft too.

 

[b_line]

Aminu's irrelevant to this conversation other than being a testament to my accuracy.

If you've been paying attention to my posts over the years, It's fair to conclude that I would've easily solved the PG issue 5x over by now.... They've used 2 #12 picks and a #5 pick in just a few years, the bars been set low...


The first summer I posted here I was carrying on about overbidding for Jeff Teague and Demar DeRozan.. both ideas were met with great resistance..

Bro. Aminu still kind of sucks.

 

[b_line]

We should name a hill after George. Maybe rename ensign peak.

 

[LogGrad98]

We should name a hill after George. Maybe rename ensign peak.

Ensign George Take...uh Hill?

 

[David Hume]

They'll rue the day they make this deal, this hysteria reminds me in a way of how hyped Knicks fans were for Tyson Chandler.

George Hill is still a small fry in the big potato world of players that affect your chance at a championship. [MENTION=631]ONE LOVE[/MENTION]

He ensures little more than moral victories/playoff spot, job security for the FO/Quinn, cap hell, worse draft picks and the loss of one of the core, possibly 2.

The narrative that the team is hopeless without him is far from reality and the perspective of a defeatist.

Fact of the matter is - The Jazz aren't in contention with or without him.

Re-sign Hill. I'd much rather go down fighting than be a helpless mess year after year. Yes, the odds are low that we can ever pull off a Pistons beat Lakers type of thing in the finals, but I'd like to give it a shot.

 

[kabenac]

Things I learned this season about the PG situation:

1. Sign George Hill for whatever it takes
2. Upgrade the backup PG

Wondering what PG is most like George Hill as a George Hill-like backup would be nice. I like Clarkson, personally.

 

[b_line]

Things I learned this season about the PG situation:

1. Sign George Hill for whatever it takes
2. Upgrade the backup PG

Wondering what PG is most like George Hill as a George Hill-like backup would be nice. I like Clarkson, personally.

Exum

 

[BTP]

So the argument is that conservative free agency strategies and missing out on BPA via draft means that you're supposed to tear it down even if you got some pretty good players that can bring this team at least to pretender status?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Why are we over here talking about George Hill extension when Joe Ingles becomes a free agent next year?

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

They'll rue the day they make this deal, this hysteria reminds me in a way of how hyped Knicks fans were for Tyson Chandler.

George Hill is still a small fry in the big potato world of players that affect your chance at a championship. [MENTION=631]ONE LOVE[/MENTION]

He ensures little more than moral victories/playoff spot, job security for the FO/Quinn, cap hell, worse draft picks and the loss of one of the core, possibly 2.

The narrative that the team is hopeless without him is far from reality and the perspective of a defeatist.

Fact of the matter is - The Jazz aren't in contention with or without him.

Aren't u the dude that suggested we max Barns? While Barnes is playing well, So is Hill. Hill is doing just as good. Does this mean u were wrong about Barns?

 

[Miggs]

25yo Jeff Teague on a 45-50MM contract for the last 3 seasons, One of which he was an All-star and Trey Burke played 30mpg for Utah, plus this season is a whole different story than

20+MM a year, 4 years for a 31 year old, with pending negotiations with Hayward, and then Exum/Favors/Hood the next summer.. don't forget surrendering the 12th pick in the draft too.

And Teague would've done what for us? The Jazz wouldn't have been in contention with him but since we would have been a bit better, our draft picks would have been lower and some of that young talent we have currently wouldn't be here, not to mention we'd again be looking for a point guard since Teague clearly wouldn't have been the answer (Hill is clearly better overall), so yeah, you're a clown.

 

[Dr. Jones]

And Teague would've done what for us? The Jazz wouldn't have been in contention with him but since we would have been a bit better, our draft picks would have been lower and some of that young talent we have currently wouldn't be here, not to mention we'd again be looking for a point guard since Teague clearly wouldn't have been the answer (Hill is clearly better overall), so yeah, you're a clown.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Jeff Teague sucks. Aminu is okay in a team with very very very good guard play (Rockets, Blazers, etc.) I would rather have Harkless (and PG_AB was the first on this forum to advocate us trading the Magic for him-- it was a good idea then, and it looks even better in hindsight).

George Hill is doing tons of stuff for this team because we currently have zero offence coming from our post players, and we've had to re-focus a lot of it to come from the perimeter.

Once Favors is back and 100%, will his offence reduce our need to rely on Hill? Remains to be seen.

 

[Game6Conley]

Jeff Teague sucks. Aminu is okay in a team with very very very good guard play (Rockets, Blazers, etc.) I would rather have Harkless (and PG_AB was the first on this forum to advocate us trading the Magic for him-- it was a good idea then, and it looks even better in hindsight).

George Hill is doing tons of stuff for this team because we currently have zero offence coming from our post players, and we've had to re-focus a lot of it to come from the perimeter.

Once Favors is back and 100%, will his offence reduce our need to rely on Hill? Remains to be seen.

Jeff Teague is easily one of the greatest 19th picks of all-time. I'd argue he's outperformed expectations at every stop in his amateur/pro basketball career.... There's no denying that the Hawks got incredible value from him..

 

[Deleted member 848]

Jeff Teague is easily one of the greatest 19th picks of all-time. I'd argue he's outperformed expectations at every stop in his amateur/pro basketball career.... There's no denying that the Hawks got incredible value from him..

and then they traded him for Taurean Prince.

At least they made up for that blunder by drafting Deandre Bembry

 

[magic]

They'll rue the day they make this deal, this hysteria reminds me in a way of how hyped Knicks fans were for Tyson Chandler.

George Hill is still a small fry in the big potato world of players that affect your chance at a championship. [MENTION=631]ONE LOVE[/MENTION]

He ensures little more than moral victories/playoff spot, job security for the FO/Quinn, cap hell, worse draft picks and the loss of one of the core, possibly 2.

The narrative that the team is hopeless without him is far from reality and the perspective of a defeatist.

Fact of the matter is - The Jazz aren't in contention with or without him.

You know, this forum is full of people who want to pretend everything is positive with the Jazz, but this was actually the most sensible post in the thread.

We have a real concern in that our team as currently set up is nothing better than mediocre playoff team. If we sign Hill and Hayward leaves, our team is garbage. If we sign Hayward and Hill leaves, our team is garbage. If we sign both, our team is a mediocre playoff team.

Our last shot is Exum ****ing pulling his head out of his *** and reaching his potential this year, but with Quin constantly yanking him and playing Mack for short term gains, this is also likely to NOT going to happen.

 

[Deleted member 95]

You know, this forum is full of people who want to pretend everything is positive with the Jazz, but this was actually the most sensible post in the thread.

We have a real concern in that our team as currently set up is nothing better than mediocre playoff team. If we sign Hill and Hayward leaves, our team is garbage. If we sign Hayward and Hill leaves, our team is garbage. If we sign both, our team is a mediocre playoff team.

Our last shot is Exum ****ing pulling his head out of his *** and reaching his potential this year, but with Quin constantly yanking him and playing Mack for short term gains, this is also likely to NOT going to happen.

How do you conclude our ceiling as it stands is a mediocre playoff team? Please tell me oh great seer. Too many clowns so sure of their expert opinions, criminy.

 

[David Hume]

I did not mean to click "like" on Magic's latest post (No offense to Magic). I attribute my mistake to the South Texas heat, it's only close to 90 degrees today and it's frickin' November already.

 

[Krakdol]

The Jazz are contenders if Favors is healthy. Their defense is unique when both Favors and Gobert are on court.

Otherwise they're a 1st round playoff team.

 

[karl malone]

George Hill has been great for this team & the FO should absolutely attempt to retain him, but there has to be a limit to how far they're willing to go in order to do so. Not to downplay his contribution/impact thus far but he's not a player that you retain at all costs.

He's no doubt an integral part of this roster but to handcuff ourselves financially in the future would be short-sighted, especially considering the important upcoming personnel decisions that will need to be made.

I remain glad that the FO finally committed to a direction but still have serious concerns that we have/will lock ourselves into a 2nd tier team that is consistently in contention but never a true threat to win a championship. Overpaying to retain Hill (maybe as well as even Hayward to a lesser extent) will likely only further that possibility.

As someone previously mentioned, hopefully both will leave some money on the table in order to give this team enough financial resources to retain it's entire core as well as add the necessary piece(s) to become that legitimate championship caliber team.