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The Official June Trade Idea

Batman

Batman

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The Jazz need to trade everything and anything but Hayward, Gobert, Favors, Burks, Exum, and Hood, for Stanly Johnson.

I think, the way the NBA is going, Stanly Johnson could end up very valuable. He could end up, as Zach Lowe as so astutely promulgated and written about, as a "Play Making 4." Johnson could be our Draymond Green/ Kawhi Leonard. Our 3 bigs could be Favors, Gobert, Johnson. And Johnson obviously could play the 3 as well. I think we'd need to make our 4th big a stone cold 5.

This package should get it done:
Trey Burke
#12
2016 1st rounder (Unprotected)
GSW 2017 1st rounder
OKC 1st (I hate you Enes Kanter)


Discuss the trade and the value of Johnson to the current group.
 
Batman said:
The Jazz need to trade everything and anything but Hayward, Gobert, Favors, Burks, Exum, and Hood, for Stanly Johnson.

I think, the way the NBA is going, Stanly Johnson could end up very valuable. He could end up, as Zach Lowe as so astutely promulgated and written about, as a "Play Making 4." Johnson could be our Draymond Green/ Kawhi Leonard. Our 3 bigs could be Favors, Gobert, Johnson. And Johnson obviously could play the 3 as well. I think we'd need to make our 4th big a stone cold 5.

This package should get it done:
Trey Burke
#12
2016 1st rounder (Unprotected)
GSW 2017 1st rounder
OKC 1st (I hate you Enes Kanter)


Discuss the trade and the value of Johnson to the current group.
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Sorry but that is way too much for Johnson. I am a big fan but four 1st round draft picks for one guy is too much because Johnson isn't a sure thing.
 
Stanley is too short to even guard the bigger SFs in this league, let alone PFs. So no...that's not "where the league is going", at least if you want to win.
 
cowhide said:
Sorry but that is way too much for Johnson. I am a big fan but four 1st round draft picks for one guy is too much because Johnson isn't a sure thing.
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I agree. That is way too much. Jazz get hosed in that deal.


Way too many assets just to move up a couple spots in the mid lottery.
 
I'm all in on the Stanley Johnson bandwagon, but that's WAY too much to give up. Also, I think Johnson is a 2/3. He profiles as a solid wing, who "might" be able to switch to smaller 4's occasionally, but he's not going to be a "Swiss Army Knife" defender like Draymond Green. He just doesn't have the length or strength to do that consistently.

With that said. . . I absolutely think that he can be a dynamic, lock-down perimeter defender at the 2 spot. The question is going to be what his offense looks like. I kind of love the idea of a potential lineup of Gobert, Favors, Hayward, Johnson and Exum with Booker, Jingles, Hood and Burks sparking the bench.
 
#12 plus 2 seconds should be enough to move up to #8 and draft Stanley Johnson. Some boards predict he will actually fall to Utah at #12 though.
 
ONE LOVE said:
????? If Utah had the #8 pick, and you were the GM, would you take 2 seconds to drop to #12?
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Exactly... Start thinking of it from their perspective.... Two seconds is not getting it done. The difference between 8 and 12 is closer to two firsts. To get in the 6-8 range I'd give up our pick next year and either the OKC pick or GSW pick.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Exactly... Start thinking of it from their perspective.... Two seconds is not getting it done. The difference between 8 and 12 is closer to two firsts. To get in the 6-8 range I'd give up our pick next year and either the OKC pick or GSW pick.
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I'd rather give Burke vs. another first round pick. I'm expecting the Jazz to hoard their assets and try to make a big move in 2016/2017. That's two years from now with this roster, and decisions will have to be made about how much to pay Hayward, Favors and Gobert moving forward. If they aren't as close to competing as they hope, I can see one of those guys (likely Hayward) as being the premiere piece in a major trade for an All-Star caliber player.

In ascending order, I think the Jazz assets are valued OKC future pick(because of lottery protections), Trey Burke (PG with starting experience heading into his 3rd season on a rookie contract), Jazz 2016 1st (with some protections in what is expected to be a weaker draft), GSW 2017 (expected late pick in a strong draft), Jazz 2017 (possible lottery pick in a strong draft), Jazz 2012 #12 pick (current lottery pick in 3rd tier of a stronger-than-expected draft.)

I think Burke still has more value than Jazz fans assign him. NBA GMs tend to overvalue veterans. A lot. Regardless, two 1st round value assets should be able to get somebody to consider moving. My preference would be to trade the two assets that will have the least value between now and the 2016 trade deadline - and in my mind, those are Trey Burke and the 2016 pick. I'm actually okay with keeping the 2nd round picks and looking for an opportunity to use them on draft and stash players or packaging them with cash to move back up in the 1st round like they did with Gobert. Somebody will fall. Jimmy Butler. Draymond Green. Rudy Gobert. Rodney Hood. Etc. Knowing who that guy is and having the resources to go get him is always a good plan.
 
fishonjazz said:
no chance of being lottery. We will be too good at that point

Huh? 2012?
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Typing on my phone. Meant the 2015 pick. Didn't notice I hit the wrong button. And, while I agree that the Jazz are an ascending team, their recent history suggests lottery. Don't de-value your assets until you HAVE to.
 
Ellis269 said:
I'd rather give Burke vs. another first round pick. I'm expecting the Jazz to hoard their assets and try to make a big move in 2016/2017. That's two years from now with this roster, and decisions will have to be made about how much to pay Hayward, Favors and Gobert moving forward. If they aren't as close to competing as they hope, I can see one of those guys (likely Hayward) as being the premiere piece in a major trade for an All-Star caliber player.

In ascending order, I think the Jazz assets are valued OKC future pick(because of lottery protections), Trey Burke (PG with starting experience heading into his 3rd season on a rookie contract), Jazz 2016 1st (with some protections in what is expected to be a weaker draft), GSW 2017 (expected late pick in a strong draft), Jazz 2017 (possible lottery pick in a strong draft), Jazz 2012 #12 pick (current lottery pick in 3rd tier of a stronger-than-expected draft.)

I think Burke still has more value than Jazz fans assign him. NBA GMs tend to overvalue veterans. A lot. Regardless, two 1st round value assets should be able to get somebody to consider moving. My preference would be to trade the two assets that will have the least value between now and the 2016 trade deadline - and in my mind, those are Trey Burke and the 2016 pick. I'm actually okay with keeping the 2nd round picks and looking for an opportunity to use them on draft and stash players or packaging them with cash to move back up in the 1st round like they did with Gobert. Somebody will fall. Jimmy Butler. Draymond Green. Rudy Gobert. Rodney Hood. Etc. Knowing who that guy is and having the resources to go get him is always a good plan.
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I pretty much agree with you, but would swap our 2016 pick and the GSW pick in value.

I don't think we will make a big move though in the acquire a vet type of mold. I think using 2 or 3 picks to get a blue chipper in the draft might be our way of making a big move. We have established young guys or great prospects at every position so bringing in a vet might be awkward. I guess we could make a move to go from a good player to a great player (like trading Favors for Love... I actually wouldn't do that but couldn't think of a good example right now). It might be cheaper to get a great talent, although more risky, by moving up the draft for someone.

If there isn't someone we like then we can certainly keep hoarding the assets and have flexibility. Maybe we like the Gobert model and keep the picks and hope to hit on them even though chances are low. We could go a hundred different directions it is a fun time to be a Jazz fan.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Stanley is too short to even guard the bigger SFs in this league, let alone PFs. So no...that's not "where the league is going", at least if you want to win.
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Johnson is built like a tank and he's only like 19. Plus, his wing span is almost identical to LeBron's and he's 2 inches shorter. I will concede that his standing reach is 4 inches shorter than LeBron's. Didn't Barkley, at 6'6 (same as Johnson) dominate at the 4 position being a big beefy 4. Johnson is gonna be huge. He already looks like a full grown man.
 
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