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The Official June Trade Idea

Batman said:
Johnson is built like a tank and he's only like 19. Plus, his wing span is almost identical to LeBron's and he's 2 inches shorter. I will concede that his standing reach is 4 inches shorter than LeBron's. Didn't Barkley, at 6'6 (same as Johnson) dominate at the 4 position being a big beefy 4. Johnson is gonna be huge. He already looks like a full grown man.
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He's Ron Artest without the crazy... I think he will be big enough to play against 4s fairly consistently. I don't think you want him guarding guys like Aldridge and Duncan though. I don't think there are many guys who would make us pay. Griffin isn't huge and I'd rather guard him with a quicker guy and have Gobert/Favors waiting for him at the rim.
 
I just looked at the list of PFs with the highest PERs in the NBA... the only guys I think I'd be really concerned about are Davis, Aldridge, Duncan, and Griffin if he decided he was going to be a post player again... he operates a lot out of pick and roll and shoots a lot more from the perimeter now.
 
I like Johnson & would be very happy if he dropped to #12, but I wouldn't give up much more than our pick + (1 of) Burke/GSW 1st/OKC 1st to move up for him. The only players in this draft that I would trade significant assets in order to move up for are Russell, Towns, Hezonja, or Mudiay. Hezonja is likely the only realistic target out of that group & I would probably be willing to trade #12/Burks or #12/Burke/GSW 1st/OKC 1st for him. #12/Burks may be a bit of an overpay, but I don't view Burks as a good fit in the starting lineup, & think both Hezonja & Hood are better fits alongside Exum/Hayward/Favors/Gobert with whoever doesn't win the last starting spot as an ideal 6th man scoring spark off of the bench. This is likely our last opportunity to acquire an elite talent & Hezonja has some of the best offensive potential in this draft. I hope we swing for the fences & do what it takes to move up for him, even if that means trading Burks (who I like, but don't see as a great fit for this roster/system).
 
ONE LOVE said:
????? If Utah had the #8 pick, and you were the GM, would you take 2 seconds to drop to #12?
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Don't forget teams make trades like this on draft day sometimes:

Washington Wizards President Ernie Grunfeld announced today that the team has acquired guard/forward Mike Miller and guard Randy Foye from the Minnesota Timberwolves in exchange for Etan Thomas, Darius Songaila, Oleksiy Pecherov and the fifth overall selection in the 2009 NBA Draft.
Read more at https://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=4448#ZBt2JDxCfPMMhOqL.99
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The 5th pick was Rubio. Plus, Curry, Teague, DeRozan, Jennings, Holiday, etc. were all still on the board. I would never trade Rubio for Miller and Foye, but the Wizards and Wolves did in 2009.
 
Jeffrey32 said:
Don't forget teams make trades like this on draft day sometimes:



The 5th pick was Rubio. Plus, Curry, Teague, DeRozan, Jennings, Holiday, etc. were all still on the board. I would never trade Rubio for Miller and Foye, but the Wizards and Wolves did in 2009.
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Different than two seconds though... Both those guys were good veterans and Washington was trying to add the final pieces to a good playoff team. Still a bad trade but there is no GM that is bad enough to accept two seconds to move back. Even Isiah in his day would have said no thx.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I pretty much agree with you, but would swap our 2016 pick and the GSW pick in value..
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I'm assuming that the Jazz will tag some protections to the 2016 pick, while the GSW pick is unprotected. A pick can't be protected twice. It's subject to the protection that the original team put on it. If the Jazz trade that pick and Curry gets hurt. . . another team will gain that reward. That's why I still place a higher value on it than on the Jazz 2016 pick, and why Id be reluctant to trade it. Logic tells me that the Warriors will still be really good two years from now, but I don't like to ever trade away an unprotected pick.
 
I've been reading some of the Pistons board on RealGM and they seem to okay trading 8th for Hood and the 12th pick. It's a good deal right? Hezonja, Portz or Johnson will all be there for the taking.
 
stormkoopacv03 said:
I've been reading some of the Pistons board on RealGM and they seem to okay trading 8th for Hood and the 12th pick. It's a good deal right? Hezonja, Portz or Johnson will all be there for the taking.
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Not a chance. Hood is a sure-fire 40%+ 3PT shooter. He just might be a starter. Plus we'd get a pretty decent player at #12. You'd trade that for a complete crapshoot? I'd much rather have Hood and Dekker (or Kaminsky).
 
Stifle Tower said:
Not a chance. Hood is a sure-fire 40%+ 3PT shooter. He just might be a starter. Plus we'd get a pretty decent player at #12. You'd trade that for a complete crapshoot? I'd much rather have Hood and Dekker (or Kaminsky).
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If Portz is there, I think the Jazz will make that trade. He is considered a top 5 pick and yes, he isn't quite ready (so was Gobert). But if given time, he will be quite good. As for Hood, he's role and production will diminish with Burks coming back. That's just me though.
 
Don't think Porzs is there. I am not sure I'd trade Hood for the 8 straight up. His last month was great. He can create good shots for himself and others. I think he might be our second best wing... and I like Burks.

I'm also not sold on Mario. Justise is good but that 3 point shot might be fools gold.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Don't think Porzs is there. I am not sure I'd trade Hood for the 8 straight up. His last month was great. He can create good shots for himself and others. I think he might be our second best wing... and I like Burks.

I'm also not sold on Mario. Justise is good but that 3 point shot might be fools gold.
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Yeah, Hezonja is probably one of my least favorite players tbh. He's got some maturity and character issues at times. Likes to run his mouth just like how Kanter did.
 
stormkoopacv03 said:
If Portz is there, I think the Jazz will make that trade. He is considered a top 5 pick and yes, he isn't quite ready (so was Gobert). But if given time, he will be quite good. As for Hood, he's role and production will diminish with Burks coming back. That's just me though.
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Why? If anything, I think the minutes will diminish for Elijah and Slo-Mo, not Hood. I do see the love for Porzingis, though. Agree with HH that he's likely gone before #8.
 
How about this one:
Detroit trades: #8+ Brandon Jennings
Utah trades: #12+Trey Burke+OKC 2018+non-guaranteed contracts


Detroit just signed with Arn Tellem to be one of their chief executives and that would likely rise their profile as a free agents destination so they'd need any free cap space they can get. They got Reggie Jackson and SVG seems to love him and will resign him. That leaves no place for Jennings who is returning from a horrible injury and has only 1 year on his deal, which makes his contract at best a neutral value. They also add the local hero Burke to their team and they have 2 cheap years of his services as a back up, while figuring out if he will work out long-term or not. They also add a future pick for their trouble.

For the Jazz - we move up to #8 and we get our final piece(Hezonja, Porzingis, Johnson - whoever is left/our management wants). We get a backup/relief valve for Exum at the PG spot for 1 year, while not hindering us long term with the unknowns of his injury situation.

Thoughts?
 
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stitches said:
How about this one:
Detroit trades: #8+ Brandon Jennings
Utah trades: #12+Trey Burke+OKC 2018+non-guaranteed contracts


Detroit just signed with Arn Tellem to be one of their chief executives and that would likely rise their profile as a free agents destination so they'd need any free cap space they can get. They got Reggie Jackson and SVG seems to love him and will resign him. That leaves no place for Jennings who is returning from a horrible injury and has only 1 year on his deal, which makes his contract at best a neutral value. They also add the local hero Burke to their team and they have 2 cheap years of his services as a back up, while figuring out if he will work out long-term or not. They also add a future pick for their trouble.

For the Jazz - we move up to #8 and we get our final piece(Hezonja, Porzingis, Johnson - whoever is left/our management wants). We get a backup/relief valve for Exum at the PG spot for 1 year, while not hindering us long term with the unknowns of his injury situation.

Thoughts?
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I looks like a good, fair deal for both sides. I'd do it in a heartbeat. It's a good use of our assets and gives the team a chance to get a really big upside player instead of hoping one falls to 12. I'd be on board with that.
 
How does johnson compare to draymond green measurement wise? (Height weight length)
 
fishonjazz said:
How does johnson compare to draymond green measurement wise? (Height weight length)
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Height(no shoes): 6'5" vs 6'5.75"
Weight: 242lbs vs 236 lbs (Body Fat%: 7.5 vs 11.3)
Wingspan: 6'11.5" vs 7'1.25"
Reach: 8'6" vs 8'9"

Johnson is really strong but quite honestly I think he will have problems defending 4s regularly. Not enough length... Maybe occasionally and some specific matchups...
 
stitches said:
Height(no shoes): 6'5" vs 6'5.75"
Weight: 242lbs vs 236 lbs (Body Fat%: 7.5 vs 11.3)
Wingspan: 6'11.5" vs 7'1.25"
Reach: 8'6" vs 8'9"

Johnson is really strong but quite honestly I think he will have problems defending 4s regularly. Not enough length... Maybe occasionally and some specific matchups...
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Thanks for the info
 
Can we just trade Cooley/Millsap for David Lee and Harrison Barnes? That trade would dramatically improve us, and it sounds like the Warriors would be willing to make it when they max out Green.
 
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