The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

[The Thriller]

As if there isn't enough right under your nose, here's more: Leshchenko is Victor Pinchuk's man, who give millions to guess who? Yup, none other than the Clinton Foundation. Do you recall who Leshchenko is and what he fabricated for Hillary Clinton?

What’s wrong with donating to the Clinton Foundation? Unlike the now defunct Trump Foundation, the Clinton Foundation is an actual charity. They do actual good for people, and isn’t just a front used for criming. Do you believe all charity should be banned?

Then again, if your gripe is that we need tighter control And transparency for nonprofits and campaign donations, then I’d agree with you. Let’s start with nominating judges who’ll support overturning Citizens United, shall we? Then, let’s work to enact real legislation to fix this. Of course, Mitch McConnell has a long history of killing legislation that provides campaign donations limits and transparency. It goes back to the mid 90s when he and mccain went at it. Mitch promised tobacco industry money to those senators who opposed McCain’s proposed regulation (motivated by his disdain for Bit Tobacco’s lobbying).

 

[The Thriller]

What about bezos and the Koch family though!!??

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It’s weird how the right wing focuses on certain things Or people. The Clintons (and their Foundation) and Soros in particular. I can think of so many other big donors and questionable organizations. The Kochs, Mercers, Adelsons, are all much bigger donors and political activists than anyone mentioned on the left. And Heritage, Heritage Action, TP, Eagle Forum, and the NRA are all sleazier organizations than the Clinton Foundation. Some are currently being investigated for laundering foreign (Russian) money.

 

[silesian]

I care. I'm not a Democrat. It's sad that you assume all these law professors who think Trump has done impeachable acts are democrats, and really shows your own personal partisan bias. Also, if this is a partisan thing, where's the comparable group of 500 republican professors signing a document saying Trump's behavior is just fine? Oh yeah, there isn't one because it isn't.
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the republican constitutional witnessed said to slow down so that more witnesses can be compelled to testify. Even he did not say it was not impeachable, he just said he wants more info before deciding.

that was the best witness trump could muster. Laughable and inept.

 

[silesian]

As if there isn't enough right under your nose, here's more: Leshchenko is Victor Pinchuk's man, who give millions to guess who? Yup, none other than the Clinton Foundation. Do you recall who Leshchenko is and what he fabricated for Hillary Clinton?

a donation to a charity constitutes election interference?

that’s, um...... “ interesting”

 

[The Thriller]

Reposting because of its relevance

 

[One Brow]

Excellent contributions as always Thriller. I have a feeling one day you are gonna post something that nails the president to the wall.

The Thriller will never do better than Mick Mulvaney on that score.

 

[The Thriller]

The Thriller will never do better than Mick Mulvaney on that score.

It can't be outdone. He admitted to impeachable offenses and then told us all to "get over it."

But yeah, let's talk about the Clinton Foundation because... Reasons?

And by tomorrow I'm sure the right will be attacking AOC or George Soros again. And around and around we go.

 

[Gameface]

franklin doesn't want me to "follow him around" after he made a pretty hard personal attack on me. So that's cool. I'm not quoting him on this post.

And for the record, I know jazzfanz.com is not about me. That's a funny thing to say. Jelly? Yeah, probably. But whatever.

So the accusation was that I harass new posters via PM. I went 5 pages deep into my PMs earlier today and I think that got me to 2017.

The majority of my PMs, especially sent PMs, were in regard to poker games and they were sent to give other people on this site my home address so they could come to my house and play poker. That is the significant majority of my PM use on jazzfanz.com over the last few years and these last few years have been some of my least active as far as hosting poker games.

The second most are communications I had with people whom I've met in person or had significant interactions with on this site. There is a pretty even mix of conversations I initiated and ones the other person initiated on that list.

The third, honestly, I'd say are interactions with jazzfanz.com mods and/or management regarding infractions or warnings.

Fourth are PMs initiated by someone else starting a conversation with me. Eenie-Meenie has started the most of those and every single time I told him I had no desire to engage in private communications with him. Rare144 has started several with me and I think for the most part I've never responded to his PMs. That makes up 90% of category #4.

So then there is one PM interaction. One. This one is something I've already explained at length. But since the allegation was made that I harass "new posters" via PM, I will clarify beyond all possible necessity what that interaction was.

Story time begins now...

Many years ago poster Troutbum indicated to poster Ron Mexico in-person at a poker game that they had an alt. I want to say Perl Watson, but I'm not 100% sure. Maybe @Ron Mexico could clarify this point. But I never believed Troutbum was actually that other poster. Ron Mexico has said to me in person multiple times that he does believe it.

At the last poker game I hosted Troutbum was there again. He claimed during that game that he was the poster Firegirl. There were some things that made me think it was true and some that made think it was not true. Firegirl's combative style, their filthy sense of humor, stuff like that had me wondering. So, I sent Firegirl a PM trying to confirm if it was actually Troutbum. The way I worded the PM was intentionally vague. It would have made perfect sense to Troutbum and I hoped it was clear enough to Firegirl if they weren't Troutbum, but the response I got was essentially "You're a creep, leave me alone." Then Firegirl posted her impression of the conversation in a thread where she again characterized it as me being a creep and sending her weird PMs. I explained in more detail why it happened, but I still think that poster thinks of me as some weird creep.

In more than the last two years that is the very only instance where I have sent a PM to someone I didn't know at least somewhat. That's the only one. I'm more than happy to screenshot more than 5 pages of my PM history. I'll also happily post the contents of the post I sent to Firegirl.

franklin is a liar.

That complaint either means he saw firegirl's post after I sent the PM and it weirdly stuck with him, or he is firegirl. I don't care, but I do care that he accused me falsely of harrasing new posters via PM. I invite whoever has the access to my PMs to view them and take whatever action they feel necessary if I have engaged in harassment. Spoiler Alert: I haven't.

So franklin can, well, he can have a nice life, whatever that means for him. But he's a liar. If that matters to him or not I don't know. I know I'm not a liar. And I can assure anyone reading this, that absolutely matters to me. I'd feel like a complete piece of garbage if I told lies like that about someone who has invited me into their home and whom I had a overwhelmingly positive relationship with for like 8-9 years. I'd feel pretty low telling petty lies about someone in that situation. Pretty ****ing low.

 

[Red]

This 2017 Politico story came up at least once before in this thread, several pages ago, at which time it was examined through a Politifact analysis, which seemed balanced, IMO, and reposted here:

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...e-know-about-politico-story-heart-ukraine-co/

A more recent Politico piece looked at what a Senate panel's examination of claims of Ukrainian interference in 2016 actually found. That Senate panel interviewed Alexandra Chalupa, the Democratic operative at the heart of the "Ukraine was helping Hillary" narrative. Apparently, some Ukrainian officials preferred Hillary. (Given Trump's Crimea comments, and in hindsight, given events this year, who could possibly blame them for such a preference?):

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/02/senate-panel-ukraine-election-interference-074796

In her Senate testimony, Chalupa denied serving as an intermediary between the Ukrainian embassy and the DNC and said she had been targeted by a Russian active measures campaign. Intelligence officials have since briefed senators on Russia’s attempts to pin blame for the 2016 interference on Kyiv as part of a disinformation operation, according to a source familiar with the briefings, which were first reported by the New York Times....

“I’ve learned in the last few days that there were some individual people in Ukraine who preferred Hillary Clinton to Donald Trump,” King said in the interview, adding that that was “not surprising” given Trump’s comments about Crimea. “But as near as I can tell, it was simply individuals expressing a preference,” King said. “Not in any way, shape or form the kind of influence operation we saw from Russia in 2016.”....

I want to make a needed factual correction to my comment above. The Politico article posted by idestroyedthetoilet is not the original 2017 Politico article, (which I mistakenly assumed), at the heart of the Ukraine conspiracy narrative, and which led the Senate Intelligence Committee to interview Democratic operative Alexandra Chalupa. This is the original 2017 Politico article:

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

 

[Red]

Reposting because of its relevance

From Jennifer Rubin: It has come to this. Ted Cruz is Putin's stooge:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/12/08/its-come-this-ted-cruz-is-putins-stooge/

Why is it unimaginable that Cruz would stand up to Trump, to denounce cutting off financial aid to an ally fighting off Russia, to excoriate him for repeatedly inviting foreign meddling in our elections, to condemn him for suggesting Russia be let back into the Group of Seven? Because Cruz, like virtually every other Republican in Congress is a coward, is afraid of a tweet or of the Trump mob. The formerly tough-on-defense Republican Party would rather contribute to the Kremlin propaganda machine and enable Trump (Putin’s best friend) than incur the wrath of the right wing.

The words of a U.S. president and a U.S. senator matter, and one of the saddest things is that both are willing to enable an enemy of the United States. In comparison to this crowd, Obama was Winston Churchill.

 

[Hotdog]

From Jennifer Rubin: It has come to this. Ted Cruz is Putin's stooge:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/12/08/its-come-this-ted-cruz-is-putins-stooge/

Why is it unimaginable that Cruz would stand up to Trump, to denounce cutting off financial aid to an ally fighting off Russia, to excoriate him for repeatedly inviting foreign meddling in our elections, to condemn him for suggesting Russia be let back into the Group of Seven? Because Cruz, like virtually every other Republican in Congress is a coward, is afraid of a tweet or of the Trump mob. The formerly tough-on-defense Republican Party would rather contribute to the Kremlin propaganda machine and enable Trump (Putin’s best friend) than incur the wrath of the right wing.

The words of a U.S. president and a U.S. senator matter, and one of the saddest things is that both are willing to enable an enemy of the United States. In comparison to this crowd, Obama was Winston Churchill.

Wow. Just wow.

Good work Red. I am stunned that Ted Cruz is also a Russian agent. It figures. He's white and he's Republican. That's a a sure fire combination that will make a bad person.

This could get real serious if Trump shares the nuclear codes with Cruz, and then Cruz gives them to Putin.

Thank you for getting this message out. We need to get in the streets and fight all the Russian agents in the alt right. Easily identified by wearimg maga hats.

 

[Red]

Wow. Just wow.

Good work Red. I am stunned that Ted Cruz is also a Russian agent. It figures. He's white and he's Republican. That's a a sure fire combination that will make a bad person.

This could get real serious if Trump shares the nuclear codes with Cruz, and then Cruz gives them to Putin.

Thank you for getting this message out. We need to get in the streets and fight all the Russian agents in the alt right. Easily identified by wearimg maga hats.

Well, you seem to be a tad too much into sweeping generalizations, and we don't believe in harassing MAGA hatters, but we have reeducation classes for all those misconceptions. Otherwise, we could always use another good man. Our cell meets tonight. You're welcome to join us....

 

[The Thriller]

Wow. Just wow.

Good work Red. I am stunned that Ted Cruz is also a Russian agent. It figures. He's white and he's Republican. That's a a sure fire combination that will make a bad person.

This could get real serious if Trump shares the nuclear codes with Cruz, and then Cruz gives them to Putin.

Thank you for getting this message out. We need to get in the streets and fight all the Russian agents in the alt right. Easily identified by wearimg maga hats.

Really? That's what you're using to qualify as being a Russian asset; someone who offers our nuclear codes to Putin? Why do you think Putin would be after our nuclear codes? Doesn't Russia already have enough nukes to destroy the planet several times over?

• Don't you think Putin would be more interested in breaking up NATO and diminishing American support for Ukraine?
• Don't you think Putin would be more interested in diminishing American relevance? Attacking western democracies?
• Don't you think Putin would be more interested in easing sanctions against his country and/or best oligarch friends?
• Don't you think Putin would be more interested in promoting chaos in the American political system, by essentially possessing one of its two major political parties?
• Don't you think Putin would be more interested in getting American politicians to peddle his propaganda?

 

[Hotdog]

Well, you seem to be a tad too much into sweeping generalizations, and we don't believe in harassing MAGA hatters, but we have reeducation classes for all those misconceptions. Otherwise, we could always use another good man. Our cell meets tonight. You're welcome to join us....

Oh, absolutely. We should be forcibly reeducating anyone who doesn't agree with our ideas. We should also publicly shame them and try to ruin their lives by doxing them and getting them fired.

I would love to join your movement. I cant stand the Russians and MAGA clowns(same thing). We must destroy them. Even if it means going nuclear.

 

[The Thriller]

franklin doesn't want me to "follow him around" after he made a pretty hard personal attack on me. So that's cool. I'm not quoting him on this post.

And for the record, I know jazzfanz.com is not about me. That's a funny thing to say. Jelly? Yeah, probably. But whatever.

So the accusation was that I harass new posters via PM. I went 5 pages deep into my PMs earlier today and I think that got me to 2017.

The majority of my PMs, especially sent PMs, were in regard to poker games and they were sent to give other people on this site my home address so they could come to my house and play poker. That is the significant majority of my PM use on jazzfanz.com over the last few years and these last few years have been some of my least active as far as hosting poker games.

The second most are communications I had with people whom I've met in person or had significant interactions with on this site. There is a pretty even mix of conversations I initiated and ones the other person initiated on that list.

The third, honestly, I'd say are interactions with jazzfanz.com mods and/or management regarding infractions or warnings.

Fourth are PMs initiated by someone else starting a conversation with me. Eenie-Meenie has started the most of those and every single time I told him I had no desire to engage in private communications with him. Rare144 has started several with me and I think for the most part I've never responded to his PMs. That makes up 90% of category #4.

So then there is one PM interaction. One. This one is something I've already explained at length. But since the allegation was made that I harass "new posters" via PM, I will clarify beyond all possible necessity what that interaction was.

Story time begins now...

Many years ago poster Troutbum indicated to poster Ron Mexico in-person at a poker game that they had an alt. I want to say Perl Watson, but I'm not 100% sure. Maybe @Ron Mexico could clarify this point. But I never believed Troutbum was actually that other poster. Ron Mexico has said to me in person multiple times that he does believe it.

At the last poker game I hosted Troutbum was there again. He claimed during that game that he was the poster Firegirl. There were some things that made me think it was true and some that made think it was not true. Firegirl's combative style, their filthy sense of humor, stuff like that had me wondering. So, I sent Firegirl a PM trying to confirm if it was actually Troutbum. The way I worded the PM was intentionally vague. It would have made perfect sense to Troutbum and I hoped it was clear enough to Firegirl if they weren't Troutbum, but the response I got was essentially "You're a creep, leave me alone." Then Firegirl posted her impression of the conversation in a thread where she again characterized it as me being a creep and sending her weird PMs. I explained in more detail why it happened, but I still think that poster thinks of me as some weird creep.

In more than the last two years that is the very only instance where I have sent a PM to someone I didn't know at least somewhat. That's the only one. I'm more than happy to screenshot more than 5 pages of my PM history. I'll also happily post the contents of the post I sent to Firegirl.

franklin is a liar.

That complaint either means he saw firegirl's post after I sent the PM and it weirdly stuck with him, or he is firegirl. I don't care, but I do care that he accused me falsely of harrasing new posters via PM. I invite whoever has the access to my PMs to view them and take whatever action they feel necessary if I have engaged in harassment. Spoiler Alert: I haven't.

So franklin can, well, he can have a nice life, whatever that means for him. But he's a liar. If that matters to him or not I don't know. I know I'm not a liar. And I can assure anyone reading this, that absolutely matters to me. I'd feel like a complete piece of garbage if I told lies like that about someone who has invited me into their home and whom I had a overwhelmingly positive relationship with for like 8-9 years. I'd feel pretty low telling petty lies about someone in that situation. Pretty ****ing low.

Franklin, I think you really stepped in it this time. Hopefully you and Gameface work out your differences (mostly you apologizing) because you sound like a scumbag.

 

[The Thriller]

Oh, absolutely. We should be reeducating anyone who doesn't agree with our ideas. We should also publicly shame them and try to ruin their lives by doxing them and getting them fired.

I would love to join your movement. I cant stand the Russians and MAGA clowns(same thing). We must destroy them. Even if it means going nuclear.

Annnnnddd back onto the ignore list you go.

Isn't it funny how the biggest trump supporters on social media are also the dumbest and most unserious people out there? It's just a joke to them.

 

[Red]

Wow. Just wow.

Good work Red. I am stunned that Ted Cruz is also a Russian agent. It figures. He's white and he's Republican. That's a a sure fire combination that will make a bad person.

This could get real serious if Trump shares the nuclear codes with Cruz, and then Cruz gives them to Putin.

Thank you for getting this message out. We need to get in the streets and fight all the Russian agents in the alt right. Easily identified by wearimg maga hats.

On a more serious note, the Ukraine election interference narrative is bs, and, as Fiona Hill pointed out, likely originated with Putin's intelligence services. The narrative benefits Russia more then any other nation. That said, where did I or Rubin say Cruz was a literal AGENT of Russia? What he is, and the same can be said for those Republicans who have chosen to be outspoken in their support of the "Ukraine did it" narrative, is a Republcan backing the conspiracy narrative favored by Trump, and which is favored by Putin for the chaos it introduces into the American polity, and the weakened position in which it places Ukraine.

You can play cutesy sarcasm to your heart's content I suppose. But the bottom line, from my perspective, is that Americans supporting the "Ukraine did it" narrative are infusing life into Putin's narrative. It's quite obvious. I know the Republicans are trying to beat back impeachment. But, there is nothing wrong with pointing out, that, in doing so, they are supporting Putin over their own intelligence agencies, as well as the Mueller Investigation, which indicted quite a few Russian nationals. It's their choice, they made it, they can live with it, and history will make note of it.

 

[Red]

Oh, absolutely. We should be forcibly reeducating anyone who doesn't agree with our ideas. We should also publicly shame them and try to ruin their lives by doxing them and getting them fired.

I would love to join your movement. I cant stand the Russians and MAGA clowns(same thing). We must destroy them. Even if it means going nuclear.

I'm sorry, we lack portable nukes at this time....

 

[Hotdog]

Really? That's what you're using to qualify as being a Russian asset; someone who offers our nuclear codes to Putin? Why do you think Putin would be after our nuclear codes? Doesn't Russia already have enough nukes to destroy the planet several times over?

• Don't you think Putin would be more interested in breaking up NATO and diminishing American support for Ukraine?
• Don't you think Putin would be more interested in diminishing American relevance? Attacking western democracies?
• Don't you think Putin would be more interested in easing sanctions against his country and/or best oligarch friends?
• Don't you think Putin would be more interested in promoting chaos in the American political system, by essentially possessing one of its two major political parties?
• Don't you think Putin would be more interested in getting American politicians to peddle his propaganda?

I agree. The Russians want to do all of that to us. But surely you have to know that Putin would love to have our Nuclear codes too. (Im sure Trump already gave him them). If he has the codes then he can launch his while disabling ours at the same time. Then its game over. We at least have to consider the possibility. We can't let that happen. Therefore we need to take out every Trump supporter/Russian Agent.

 

[Hotdog]

Right now Im am feeling super nervous just thinking about this. The Russians could launch at any moment