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idestroyedthetoilet said:
You keep bringing this up and I'm 100% certain you are wrong. If you want Fox n Friends opinion, I'll counter with The Mueller report, which specifically said this sort of thing wasn't included in the scope of "anything of value" within the context of Subpart III.

I read 52 USC Subtitle III in its entirety. 301 is titled Federal Campaign Finance, and its scope of limitations is clearly financial unless you take "anything of value" to the most liberal interpretive sense imaginable. Nowhere else in the title do you find anything remotely referencing non-financial contributions, only through a skewed interpretation of that small insertion.

Furthermore, (according to the FEC fec.gov/updates/foreign-nationals/) foreign nationals are covered by the volunteer exception, which further solidifies the definition and its scope to be limited to financial contributions. Trump can recieve all the qualifying volunteer dirty favors he wants.

Some at the FEC want to agree with you and Fox n Friends, but they fully know
the law does not, which is why an external party submitted amendments to the Federal Register for vote:

https://www.npr.org/2019/08/01/7472...ther-constrain-foreign-election-contributions

That was in the wake of the last Impeach Trump drumbeat. However, there are freedom of speech implications that many aren't comfortable with so it'll probably get nowhere.

TL;DR addition - Trump was correct about what he said re:Iran in that out of context tweet you posted a few pages back. Read the short section from the full transcript.
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I'm willing to defer to @sirkickyass since he's actually a lawyer. Kicky, what do you think? Are things of value limited to items which have a specific defined monetary equivalent?
 
Zombie said:
Your cluelessness abounds. The "regime change" happened in 2014 with the Ukrainian Revolution which resulted in the ouster of Yanukovych who is currently in exile in Russia.

Neither Zelensky nor his predecessor Poroshenko are pro-Russia.
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I knew about the "regime change" of 2014 in 2014. The whole thing was manufactured by fascist operatives from "The West", according to pro-Russian folks. For sure there were significant numbers of foreign operatives. But there are lots of Ukranians who don't want activists from Russia or the West, particularly socialist, communist, or fascist ideologues. How about that.

You consistently overstate your case, and rarely actually understand mine. Maybe I should put you on ignore because talking to you is in fact pretty worthless.

Kicky had some Russian "news" clips he linked in here, and was ever so smug about how intelligent they are about US affairs. I actually can't measure the degree of influence from a clip or two, but I'm sure the Russians were cheering for Zelensky to reject American military help. God, who woulda thunk that. I see now that just thinking Ukraine has fallen back into the Russian camp is not likely, not nearly as likely as the article indicated. Pretty sure Russian state press will drive a line to put a wedge between Ukraine and the US. Nobody could possibly have missed that, except for the genius Kicky, who knows everything about Russia.

That's pretty much the reason why US diplomacy should not be conducted by The Press, or by political agitators here or anywhere. The US President cannot function effectively with that level of openness.

I changed my mind a bit when I heard Zelensky talking to the media after the meeting in NY. Of course he was courting favor from Trump and the US in general by acting like he didn't mind our complete lack of diplomatic coherence, but it's payday for him. Lots of people bidding up his importance from every side.

So the Russian article Kicky linked was off on their analysis, and Zelensky is a player, not a simpleton who'll just toady up to Russia. Good for him. Maybe the Ukraine can actually assert it's own interests better.
 
Gameface said:
Really all that anyone has to know about your posts.
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yah. Not sure you understood that "I imagine" was loaded with sarcasm for your infinite capacity to dispute the obvious facts when you wish. Well, not just you.
Harambe said:
Have you checked? Asked? Even considered?

Is there a difference between your job and his?

Looked at his education? Experience?

Been given anything from him he provided to his employer, and been privy to why it's important?
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Lawyers have office staff that usually bill off a lawyers time log with some characterization of the work being done at the time, but they can also, easily, fabricate impressive "records", and fees to go with them, out of thin air. Particularly given any need to do so.

Most Americans are going to see the meaning of Joe Biden's CFR brag. Yah, he was among friends there, and did not expect anyone would betray the rules of the meeting. If the person who recorded it is known, I'm sure he's been kicked out of the club long ago. This brag has been played a thousand times over the past year. Pretty sure millions of Americans won't buy any kind of snow job about how it meant nothing.
 
colton said:
I'm willing to defer to @sirkickyass since he's actually a lawyer. Kicky, what do you think? Are things of value limited to items which have a specific defined monetary equivalent?
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No. It mirrors the language of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act on purpose. If you read the annotations on the statute, this issue has been long since decided.
 
NPC D4617 said:
Gotta love Dems not giving a **** about the real scandal (Biden and his son) while simultaneously outraged the president wanted to lool into actual corruption.

Not word or peep about Biden doing anything wrong. Nope. Lets just ignore that and pretend to give a **** about the rule of law.

The Democrats are a joke, including the Dems on this board. You are all partisan frauds with absolutely nothing to offer. Just chaos and noise. You are all devoid of morals and any logic.

Trump was right. All this winning is getting old. Dems spread the lies. Normal people clean up the mess and spread the truth. But the lie has already done its damage. Or so they think. But Dems are so dumb they cant seem to comprehend that this isnt pre internet. You cant get away your lies anymore. It works on a few retards like the Thrilla and drug addicts. But its not enough. Trump 2020. Oh ya. Its happening again. Gonna be winning and squashing your BS for the next 5 years.
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Jason's famous JFC rule is "It's not a lie if you believe it". Well, as long as you're on the team in here.

The media has the same rule. "It's not a lie if we say it, because we are the studs."

I think you should consider the difference between oridinary everyday dems and the really interested players. Some are as done with all this as you are, and leaving the dem party, looking for something they can believe in.
 
sirkickyass said:
No. It mirrors the language of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act on purpose. If you read the annotations on the statute, this issue has been long since decided.
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Trump was doing his job. Acting within the constitutional limits of his authority, in seeking the release of any information relevant to the alleged criminal Biden actions. Perfectly legal, and perfectly appropriate, for him to speak to any other head of state as necessary to seek cooperation and actual documentation of what happened.

The charges have been out for a couple of years. The tape of Bidens brag is actually famous, millions of people know about it, the DOJ had already opened the investigation.

Biden is not yet his actual opponent from the dems. Pretty sure some dems want this investigation to go forward just as well.

It is in the interest of the American people to get all the information or relevant facts about this.
 
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babe said:
Trump was doing his job. Acting within the constitutional limits of his authority, in seeking the release of any information relevant to the alleged criminal Biden actions. Perfectly legal, and perfectly appropriate, for him to speak to any other head of state as necessary to seek cooperation and actual documentation of what happened.
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idestroyedthetoilet said:
You keep bringing this up and I'm 100% certain you are wrong. If you want Fox n Friends opinion, I'll counter with The Mueller report, which specifically said this sort of thing wasn't included in the scope of "anything of value" within the context of Subpart III.

I read 52 USC Subtitle III in its entirety. 301 is titled Federal Campaign Finance, and its scope of limitations is clearly financial unless you take "anything of value" to the most liberal interpretive sense imaginable. Nowhere else in the title do you find anything remotely referencing non-financial contributions, only through a skewed interpretation of that small insertion.

Furthermore, (according to the FEC fec.gov/updates/foreign-nationals/) foreign nationals are covered by the volunteer exception, which further solidifies the definition and its scope to be limited to financial contributions. Trump can recieve all the qualifying volunteer dirty favors he wants.

Some at the FEC want to agree with you and Fox n Friends, but they fully know
the law does not, which is why an external party submitted amendments to the Federal Register for vote:

https://www.npr.org/2019/08/01/7472...ther-constrain-foreign-election-contributions

That was in the wake of the last Impeach Trump drumbeat. However, there are freedom of speech implications that many aren't comfortable with so it'll probably get nowhere.

TL;DR addition - Trump was correct about what he said re:Iran in that out of context tweet you posted a few pages back. Read the short section from the full transcript.
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I'm not sure. If I get Kicky, he's speaking as lawyer for his client political cause. Pretty sure Trump's lawyers will see a few other aspects, and make it out differently.

Whether seeking the help was in Trump's mind something of value to him personally, or something of value to America generally, is the issue here. There is absolutely no doubt the information is of value to the United States, to the American people, and to every political party.

Pretty sure Kicky and the TrumpDumpsters lose this case, in the courts and in the media just as well. Americans are just going to be damn mad at the "news". The Biden CFR brag will become the defining sound byte.
 
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Nunes is right absolutely no evidence yet just another attempt for the phycotic left to get their Trump addicts into an uproar.

I hope to God that when Republicans lose presidency that they show more class then the garbage left has. Even if they don't like the guy or girl, their job is to run the country not constantly fight like what's happening now. What a terrible bunch for this country.
 
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