The official "let's impeach Trump" thread
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Zombie
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Your very clever attempt at sophistry notwithstanding, no. Whether something is morally right or not doesn't depend on how liberals might feel about it.
Joe Bagadonuts
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He shouldn't do stuff like that, but I have far less of a problem with a president publicly announcing that he will hold an event at a property he owns than I do with a vice president's son quietly obtaining multi-million dollar contracts because the people hiring him believe they are purchasing the power to influence our government. It frustrates me greatly that the media doesn't seem to care about the latter at all except to the extent that they will publish stories attempting to explain why it is okay. Their bias is so incredibly blatant.
Well, that link can certainly be surmised upon, that they were purchasing favor with the Vice President, but it has not been established in any way. No law was broken by the simple hiring of Hunter Biden. There is no crime in evidence in that situation.
I mean if you can produce some sort of coherent evidence based argument that establishes criminal wrongdoing, the news, all of it, would jump on the story.
But to say, "OMG that salary is so high! What does he do? What does he do? Why does he get that salary?" and think you've proven something? It goes back to something I said in the pyramid thread. There's a thing where people think that by not knowing something they know something.
You don't know what he did for that company. You don't know. By virtue of not knowing what he possibly could have done for his salary doesn't mean you now know what he did for that salary. That's not how this works. That's not how "knowing things" works.
And at the same time you minimize the President using his office to pressure a foreign leader to investigate the President's political rival. There is actual evidence that he did that. Evidence, a confession, an explanation that "no one cares" from the President's staff and press secretary. That's not particularly alarming.
But in a situation where you don't really know, which convinces you that you specifically do know, you are the very most gravely concerned?
Okay...
Jumping on GF's "You don't know that" train
Zombie
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I don't know what Hunter Biden has to do with the question I asked. I mean, I think OJ Simpson killing people is worse than what Trump did too, but that's hardly a defense.
You seem to agree though, that presidents profiting off their status while in office is a bad thing, so what do you think should be done about it?
Joe Bagadonuts
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The president offered to provide a venue for free. I think the only reasonable punishment for such a sickening offence is impeachment... though some may think we ought to go straight to hanging. And yes, it is relevant that the media does not seem to care when similar or worse things happen involving Democrats.
Not even you believe that. Pull the pin on the extinguisher, your pants are totally on fire.
Trump called the Foreign Emoluments Clause of the US Constitution the "fake emoluments clause"
No he didn't. Under pressure, he said he would provide it "for cost"
And you can bet your sweet pah- tooey he was talking about for total cost, not for variable cost, which means he still makes money on the deal.
Zombie
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You really think Trump was going to pay for the necessary improvements to his property as well as provide lodging, food and drinks to the dignitaries, their staffs and the media out of his own pocket? What about any rounds of golf or trips to the spa? Was he going to comp those as well?
Even if we're to believe Trump was going to make every effort not to profit from this event, he would still receive the benefit of free advertising for his brand, and all of this would come at the expense of his competitors.
Zombie
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Whatever you consider "at cost" to be for a hotel room, full rooms are better than empty ones.
In addition to this you'd have to be a fool to believe he would be offering the same deal to the hordes of reporters and others making reservations due to the event.
What stories have you read that everything Biden's son has done is okay? All of those that I have read indicate that it is ethically dubious but legal. Biden's boy is doing the same as what the Trump boys are doing every day. They are all corrupt.
POTUS awarding POTUS a contract is in a different league. We're talking Kim Jung Un level of corruption. Walking into your bank and filling your briefcase level stuff.
yes, that is my point entirely
Uh, no. No he didn't.
Joe Bagadonuts
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I heard him say "for free." I did not hear "for cost," though maybe he said that in another instance.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Do the reporters ever actually stay at the main venue? I doubt it.
Joe Bagadonuts
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If there was a shred of evidence of Trump's boys doing the same thing it would be a huge story. You appear to just be making things up. I have read many stories that claim that the Biden's didn't do anything wrong. In the Dem debate Anderson Cooper literally apologized to Biden for asking him a question about it. He didn't suggest in any way, shape or form that anything was dubious about it.