The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

[Joe Bagadonuts]

The issue with Biden is using his dad's political stature to get a job to make money.
Trump's kids do it too. That's the equivalency.

Or do you think Trump's kids have to get the exact same job as Hunter for the exact same salary to make the comparison?


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I think that if you have an example of Trump's kids getting jobs doing something they have no experience or credentials for (other than the ability to sell influence) that you'd have a very valid comparison.

 

[Zombie]

The nepotism one is clearly completely different. The investment one is regarding a real estate company that his son-in-law owns a portion of but does not manage or control. The company is doing today exactly what it did before Trump was president. If monies are coming into it in order to influence Trump that should be looked into, but it does not appear to be similar to the Biden deal either way. The emoluments argument I know is exciting to never-Trumpers, but everyone knew long before Trump was elected that he had extremely complex international business interests. It would be virtually impossible not to have some impact on them, positive or negative, when dealing with international politics. I agree that looking into various instances is prudent and reasonable, but just throwing a blanket over the idea of emoluments and claiming that he must somehow be in violation is not.

The question isn't necessarily about whether the individual we're talking about has influence in the company getting foreign money, but if they have influence in the US government. Kushner is working as a foreign policy advisor in the White House ffs! To make matter worse the money his company received went through a bank in the cayman Islands so we don't even know who it came from. To make matters worse still Kushner lied about his stake in this company on disclosure forms and was denied security clearances over it (Trump later overrode this decision).


Hoenstly, just read this.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/10/jared-kushner-real-estate-cadre-goldman-sachs

 

[Zombie]

I think that if you have an example of Trump's kids getting jobs doing something they have no experience or credentials for (other than the ability to sell influence) that you'd have a very valid comparison.

I must have forgotten about all the foreign policy and expertise in middle eastern affairs Ivanka and Jared have lol. Come. On.

 

[fishonjazz]

I think that if you have an example of Trump's kids getting jobs doing something they have no experience or credentials for (other than the ability to sell influence) that you'd have a very valid comparison.

See zombies two most recent posts

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[The Thriller]

See zombies two most recent posts

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How do people not already know about the things Zombie posted? He articulated them exceptionally well. But at the same time, it’s not new information. Kushner’s corruption has been widely reported by not Fox News news for 3 years now.

how are people still in the dark about these things? Jazzy hack or whoever it is, how are they THIS ignorant about things that have been reported almost everyday for 3 years?

 

[gandalfe]

I think that if you have an example of Trump's kids getting jobs doing something they have no experience or credentials for (other than the ability to sell influence) that you'd have a very valid comparison.

Please, explain to us all of Ivanka's previous experience in international diplomacy.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I must have forgotten about all the foreign policy and expertise in middle eastern affairs Ivanka and Jared have lol. Come. On.

The Trump family ran what is possibly the leanest presidential campaign in modern history. I know it is popular to suggest that Donald and his children are a bunch of incompetents, but their accomplishments simply do not bear that analysis out. They have proven to be skilled and effective in many areas. It is not at all surprising that Trump would hand them responsibility, especially given that his government has been repeatedly sabotaged from within by career bureaucrats, many of whom apparently see it as their duty to undo an election that they do not agree with. I stand by my claim that the situations you have pointed out are not equivalent to the Hunter Biden situation. I do agree that they should continue to be thoroughly investigated, though.

 

[The Thriller]

Ummm. Wildly inappropriate. Not a winning strategy. But from what I’m reading, he might’ve just committed a crime. Party of law and order!

 

[Zombie]

Ummm. Wildly inappropriate. Not a winning strategy. But from what I’m reading, he might’ve just committed a crime. Party of law and order!

These people are absolute morons.

 

[Red]

Good Salon writeup that points out what is obvious to many be now. The Ukraine debacle lends absolute credence to the fact that this is just a repeat of what Trump got away with in 2016...

https://www.salon.com/2019/10/23/tr...ylor-unveils-the-whole-sleazy-ukraine-scheme/

"The reason the Ukraine scandal finally pushed the Democrats to open an impeachment inquiry isn't that it's unique. It's because of how closely it mirrors what we already know about Trump and Russia in 2016.

Immediately after Attorney General William Barr released his misleading letter describing the Mueller report, Trump and his fixer Rudy Giuliani went back to work doing exactly what Trump had been suspected of doing all along: inviting foreign interference in an American presidential election. This time Trump and his accomplices had the full force of the U.S. government to bargain with and they just went for it. When the whistleblower came forward, it was as if the Democrats and much of the public collectively said, "You've got to be kidding — he did it again?"

If anything, this Ukraine business makes it clear that the suspicions raised but unproven in the first volume of the Mueller report were likely true, and that the president's repeated obstruction of justice during the Mueller probe was remarkably effective. Working with a foreign government to smear an opponent is by now a patented Trump strategy."

 

[Zombie]

This is where we're at.

Normal times.

 

[fishonjazz]

The Trump family ran what is possibly the leanest presidential campaign in modern history. I know it is popular to suggest that Donald and his children are a bunch of incompetents, but their accomplishments simply do not bear that analysis out. They have proven to be skilled and effective in many areas. It is not at all surprising that Trump would hand them responsibility, especially given that his government has been repeatedly sabotaged from within by career bureaucrats, many of whom apparently see it as their duty to undo an election that they do not agree with. I stand by my claim that the situations you have pointed out are not equivalent to the Hunter Biden situation. I do agree that they should continue to be thoroughly investigated, though.

See those goalposts that were over here? Well, they are over there now.

Your defense is basically that the Trump's are just the smartest most talented people around and so they are already qualified for anything and everything. But you don't like Trump. You just see, unbiased btw, that Trump and anyone with his DNA are geniuses.

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[The Thriller]

This is where we're at.

Normal times.

let’s just have a king

 

[The Thriller]

 

[Zombie]

The Trump family ran what is possibly the leanest presidential campaign in modern history. I know it is popular to suggest that Donald and his children are a bunch of incompetents, but their accomplishments simply do not bear that analysis out. They have proven to be skilled and effective in many areas. It is not at all surprising that Trump would hand them responsibility, especially given that his government has been repeatedly sabotaged from within by career bureaucrats, many of whom apparently see it as their duty to undo an election that they do not agree with. I stand by my claim that the situations you have pointed out are not equivalent to the Hunter Biden situation. I do agree that they should continue to be thoroughly investigated, though.

Imagine believing this.

 

[Zombie]

We're taking obstruction of justice to new heights here.

 

[sirkickyass]

The Conway marriage is one that I can’t figure out. The only thing I can think of is either she shares her husbands opinions but sells out for her own financial well being or they’re merely married in name only. George has been vocally anti-Trump for a few years now.

It's also possible that Kelly Ann is the Anonymous Op-Ed writer.

 

[sirkickyass]

Russian newspaper breaking down how Russia was the ultimate winner of the American pullout - obtaining effectively control over 3/4ths of the territory that Turkey tried to take.

It's also a useful comparison between how Erdogan rolled Trump in negotiations and folded to Putin.

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2019/10/23/losing-to-putin

The key thing to grasp here is that Erdogan lost a complicated game, but managed to save face. Turkey had to abandon nearly all the objectives of its Syria campaign, accepting just a fifth of the “gains” it wanted. Erdogan won control over just a small piece of Kurdish territory, losing any hope to expand this zone to a 19-mile strip of land along the entire border, which was the military's minimum objective. (Turkey had even entertained the possibility of occupying the entire northeastern third of Syria.)

Erdogan failed because he forgot the rules of modern “hybrid war”; Turkey didn’t pair the invasion with the necessary diplomatic and media cover, and it went to war with bad allies.

Almost effortlessly, the Syrian government and Russia gained the right to take control over almost a third of Syria’s territory, which until recently was in the hands of Kurdish politicians and their American allies. This was possible thanks to the withdrawal of American and European troops, which Damascus and Moscow sought unsuccessfully for years, and Recep Tayyip Erdogan finally achieved.

 

[Harambe]

See those goalposts that were over here? Well, they are over there now.

Your defense is basically that the Trump's are just the smartest most talented people around and so they are already qualified for anything and everything. But you don't like Trump. You just see, unbiased btw, that Trump and anyone with his DNA are geniuses.

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Hey man... remember. I'm the neo-liberal that's coming for his guns and pirvately (un)paid healthcare

 

[The Thriller]

Methinks the number of Fox News addicts who actually believe that republicans were shut out of all of these hearings is unfortunately extremely high. I think many have taken Fox News’s narrative (Hannity especially) at face value and think all of these hearings have been run by Schiff, with zero republicans present, and with Democrats brainstorming with witnesses on how to come up with the most damaging story. You know, in order to lynch and complete the coup against trump, who’s completely innocent.

sadly, Gaetz will be seen as a hero to many of these.

the last 4-5 pages is evidence that people are still really poorly informed about the basics of this story.