Further illustrates cracks in the Republican party; Gaetz doesn't believe the members of his party are capable of representing them.
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Further illustrates cracks in the Republican party; Gaetz doesn't believe the members of his party are capable of representing them.
The Thriller
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Remember when that woman called some of the racist supporters of trump, deplorable?
Or when that black president said that some people hold onto their bibles and guns?
and people lost their minds?
well... now we have this:
Who sounds more credible? Corrupt Gramps tweeting like a crazy person? Or the calm organized diplomats who are testifying of Gramps’ corruption?
Or when that black president said that some people hold onto their bibles and guns?
and people lost their minds?
well... now we have this:
Who sounds more credible? Corrupt Gramps tweeting like a crazy person? Or the calm organized diplomats who are testifying of Gramps’ corruption?
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You think the solution is to give lobbyists even more power?
The Thriller
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- Why would term limits prevent or stop the president from using American foreign policy to blackmail other countries into manufacturing dirt on his opponents?
- How would term limits stop or prevent the corruption found in the DOJ? Namely, a corrupt AG who clearly missed the boat when he attempted to bury this whistleblower complaint?
- How would term limits stop the disinformation from Fox News?
- How would term limits stop the radicalization of the GOP so that moderate candidates would succeed more in primaries instead of extremist candidates?
The Thriller
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Absolutely.
I think it's not only possible but probable that she's both the anonymous Op-Ed writer and author of this new book.
Btw, this was a really interesting podcast where Preet interviews George Conway. I'd honestly never heard Conway's voice prior to this interview:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podca...th-george-conway/id1265845136?i=1000452998093
The Thriller
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I haven't noticed any cracks in the Democratic party. What cracks are you referring to?
Zombie
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I don't know if I'd call it a crack exactly, but there is still a divide between the leftist activist wing of the party and the moderate donor class. That kind of thing is pretty part and parcel of any large party though imo.
The Thriller
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I thought his tweet this morning about "House Republicans" getting tough, aggressive, or fighting back (can't remember what he said exactly) was suspicious.
Yet again, he's acting EXACTLY as a guilty person would act. If the call was so perfect and he was innocent... Why would he be going to such extremes to impede this inquiry?
Also, it blows up the narrative spewed by some that he "wants" to be impeached. No way his narcissistic ego wants to be impeached. If things keep going the way they are, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Senate remove him. If Romney is the only Republican to vote to remove? Yeah, he'll survive and Romney will take heat. But if Romney, Murkowski, Garner, Collins, Ernst, are close to voting for removal, then I see a deluge of senators joining. Trump can target Romney. He can't target a group. If I were Mitch, I'd take advantage of "the group" and use it to remove Trump, instate Pence, and save my senate majority. Otherwise, if all those senators in purple states vote to acquit, they'll all be replaced by Democrats, costing Mitch a majority and leaving a long-lasting stain on the GOP.
The Thriller
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Anyone else notice how utterly undisciplined and guilty Trump looks these days? Now he’s calling Never Trumpers “human scum.”
The Thriller
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Trump’s General “anti-corruption concern.”
*giggle*
Such an intellectual! So thought provoking!
Interesting that she was directed to not appear. Can't wait to find out what she said in her testimony.
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I wonder if we would see the same levels of danger if trump were never part of the equation.
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Red
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Some interesting food for thought here, an opinion piece by Greg Sargent, of the Post, regarding AG Barr, and the conspiracy theory that is at the heart of Trump's effort to overturn Mueller. Seems like it's starting to come into clearer focus, at least I find this very plausible. The announcement by Ukraine of investigating the 2016 election may well have coincided with Barr's "investigation of the investigators". Exactly what I would expect at this point, and a Big Lie that we can't allow to win...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/10/23/hidden-revelation-taylor-hints-worse-come-trump/
The testimony from Taylor, the acting U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, also contains a key revelation about Attorney General William P. Barr — one that provides an occasion to revisit his role in this scandal, and hints at how Barr will likely continue perverting the U.S. government machinery to help Trump get away with it.
Taylor’s key mention of Barr comes in a very damning passage. Taylor recounted that he’d learned that Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, had informed Ukraine that the frozen military aid would be conditioned on launching the “investigations” Trump wanted.
Taylor then testified that on a call, Sondland stated that Trump told him he wanted Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to “publicly” pledge investigations — which would undercut the fact of Russian sabotage of the 2016 election and help smear potential 2020 opponent Joe Biden. Taylor claimed Sondland told him the money was dependent on this.
Taylor then adds:
We also discussed the possibility that the Ukrainian Prosecutor General, rather than President Zelenskyy, would make a statement about investigations, potentially in coordination with Attorney General Barr’s probe into the investigation of interference in the 2016 elections.
Two senior U.S. officials seriously discussed a plan in which the attorney general of the United States would publicly coordinate with a foreign government to help Trump absolve Russia of culpability for an attack on our political system, by helping to repudiate our intelligence services’ conclusion about that culpability.
That’s the goal of Trump’s demand for Ukraine’s investigation into 2016 — to validate a conspiracy theory which holds that Ukraine hacked Democrats’ emails and set up Russia to get blamed for sabotaging the election for Trump.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/10/23/hidden-revelation-taylor-hints-worse-come-trump/
The testimony from Taylor, the acting U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, also contains a key revelation about Attorney General William P. Barr — one that provides an occasion to revisit his role in this scandal, and hints at how Barr will likely continue perverting the U.S. government machinery to help Trump get away with it.
Taylor’s key mention of Barr comes in a very damning passage. Taylor recounted that he’d learned that Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, had informed Ukraine that the frozen military aid would be conditioned on launching the “investigations” Trump wanted.
Taylor then testified that on a call, Sondland stated that Trump told him he wanted Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to “publicly” pledge investigations — which would undercut the fact of Russian sabotage of the 2016 election and help smear potential 2020 opponent Joe Biden. Taylor claimed Sondland told him the money was dependent on this.
Taylor then adds:
We also discussed the possibility that the Ukrainian Prosecutor General, rather than President Zelenskyy, would make a statement about investigations, potentially in coordination with Attorney General Barr’s probe into the investigation of interference in the 2016 elections.
Two senior U.S. officials seriously discussed a plan in which the attorney general of the United States would publicly coordinate with a foreign government to help Trump absolve Russia of culpability for an attack on our political system, by helping to repudiate our intelligence services’ conclusion about that culpability.
That’s the goal of Trump’s demand for Ukraine’s investigation into 2016 — to validate a conspiracy theory which holds that Ukraine hacked Democrats’ emails and set up Russia to get blamed for sabotaging the election for Trump.
Just Ted
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Read it. Read most of everything on the subject. I still have the opinion that term limits are better than worse. I did my doctoral thesis on the subject. Not that it matters, but there are good arguments on both sides of the equation. Both have huge problems and limitations. Although I do find it interesting that many people here which seem to lean left are against limits, but are also against the electoral college, which has many of the same arguments. Though I must admit, I did not do a thesis on the Electoral college. Also, my thesis was based on articles and my own opinions, which are not expressly supported by Loggrad or Thriller. (Just two of my favorite posters)
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Just Ted
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Trump is an issue I agree, but not for the same reasons you probably see. I believe that having people such as Pelosi, Schumer, etc... In office for 30 plus years who then preach to us about the president being the main problem is stupid. I thought it was stupid under Obama, I think it's stupid under Trump. I don't believe that sitting in office for 30 years and building a political empire on either side of the isle is working for our country. I believe we are the precipice of a huge turn for our country and that the President has a small % of the blame, but both Democrats and Republicans who will only tow the line of their respective parties are much more culpable than any president.