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The *OFFICIAL* Russia Is About To Invade Ukraine Thread
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The Thriller
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There were incursions during the American Revolution, as well as an invasion later that set off the War of 1812. Then there has been the rather sophisticated attempt tin absorb Canada, and Mexico, into a "North American Union" as a transitory step for inclusion into the modern form of the British Empire sneeringly referred to by posh royals as "Our United Nations".
It all makes little difference to the ordinary citiczen whose illusions of human rights are irrelevant to meaningful power brokers.
Time for real Canadians to declare they've had enough of the damned abuse and throw the bums out and set up a better version of the idea of government by the people, for the people, with people holding relevant power in every office of government.
Avery
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It's only natural. They speak English, they speak French, they should have picked one and left it alone so we have no choice but to take them over.
Gimme them logs, dawg.
So I work for a living, catch the news while driving usually. As things stand right now I get in to a computer almost every day at some point. I have not been reading the Russian news directly for a while.
The facts on the shelling a couple of days ago are, apparently, being disputed. It is not even claimed that the shelling originated from weapons inside Russian territory, so the US Embassy is distorting the report in alleging is was "Russian Shelling".
Last Summer i posted a thread in here with news items including Russian military movements, and Ukranian military movements, which included some hothead, probably rogue, Ukranian commander saying they were going to move into the Donbas and clear the place out. I think Zelensky is not on board with that, and is seeking peaceful resolutions rahter than military actions.
I think our imbecile-in-chief has an axe to grind with Zelensky and that there are larger interests in taking Putin out somehow.
If you listen to Western news, the fact that we made an agreement with Russia during Gorbachev's days concerning the independence of Eastern European nations. We agreed or promised thart NATO would not move "one inch" into those countries. That is the basis of Putin's objections to our continuing NATO expansions and placements of troops in places that continue to violate that agreement.
Putin has kicked out many Western-based business interests, saying you can't do business in Russia if you don't fundamentally have Russian loyalties. Jon Huntsman Jr. got kicked out, and then Trump made his Ambassador.
Pretty hard on me to stomach the ignorance of people like Sean Hannity and Mark Levin concerning Russia. Russia is not fundamentally a "Western" natrion, has no legal foundation like the Constitution or Magna Carta or common law. There is little to hope for in limiting government or dictators, even fairly popular leaders like Putin whose power grabs can be mere expedients of the moment. I could hardly make Putin, or Xi so far as that goes, much worse than Hillary Clinton or Obama or Biden or any contemporary globalist.
Putin is making his stand as a Russian nationalist concerned with Russian security and independence. He has been for many years now, objecting to NATO aggression into the former occupied territories of Eastern Europe. It is true that people within those areas have been favorable to stronger ties, business and military, but it is not really all that clear cut. Many people in those areas are more comfortable with Russian ties. Even Germany may cut out of NATO and ally instead with Russia. It's a matter of local business interests, in part, and part in local cultural ties.
Zelensky has been trying to clean up Ukraine, so far as "corruption" in government goes, but he has factions that are pro-Russian and also pro-Western. I favor an independent Ukraine with the hope for cleaning up the government corruption. Joe Biden favors getting rid of Zelensky and collecting payola from the corrupt Western-allied interests including the oil and gas interests.
Fiona Hill is a shameless globalist and a warmonger.
I don't think Biden is up to doing a war with anyone, but he's not his own man either.
NATO doesn't need Ukraine,and Ukraine doesn't need NATO. Stay out of Ukraine.
We have military bases in places that are no more secure than Russian's bases on the Black Sea, But the Russian bases on the Black Sea are far more important to Russia. Russia's bases in Syria are an attempt to alleviate that vulnerability.
We should honor our 1990s agreements with Russia. Perhaps we should invite Russia to join NATO. NATO is so damn irrelevant today.
@Thriller. You had to do that, I know. I think I've been to that news site a few times before, but I'm the sort of person who is willing to astually see what people are saying, even if it's not likely I'll agree. I think Putin doesn'tneed to worry about Chinese aggression at this moment.
what I'm seeing in our media is concerning because it is one-sided, and distorted. I have followed things marginally over the years. A brother was in Ukraine as a representative of the US during the decommissioning operations taking the nukes out. He speaks Russian,has been there. I was aware of some of the provisions of our treateis with Russia.
It's not a matter of a sovereign nation having a right to join NATO. It is a matter of treaty that NATO, the United States, and Russia made an agreement they should not join..... in a military pact with either side. WE have violated and and are now violating our treaty with Russia, and we are the offending, aggressor party.
And we have been doing this for years. Russia would not have agreed to take out the nukes from Ukraine without this treaty.
So Putin is playing broken record about our broken treaty.
what I'm seeing in our media is concerning because it is one-sided, and distorted. I have followed things marginally over the years. A brother was in Ukraine as a representative of the US during the decommissioning operations taking the nukes out. He speaks Russian,has been there. I was aware of some of the provisions of our treateis with Russia.
It's not a matter of a sovereign nation having a right to join NATO. It is a matter of treaty that NATO, the United States, and Russia made an agreement they should not join..... in a military pact with either side. WE have violated and and are now violating our treaty with Russia, and we are the offending, aggressor party.
And we have been doing this for years. Russia would not have agreed to take out the nukes from Ukraine without this treaty.
So Putin is playing broken record about our broken treaty.
Our news is full of figures about Russian troops on Russian ground, but nothing about even larger Ukranian forces being massed to go into the two Ukranian provinces where there has been fighting, intensigying war in the past several days and across some 8 years now. It looks to me like Zelensky is powerless to stop it. Putin is hoping Zelensky can do something to stop it.
www.rt.com
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Donetsk and Lugansk declared their autonomy from Kiev in 2014 after violent street protests felled the Eastern European nation’s elected government. Under the terms of the Minsk agreements, signed later that year, Kiev must hold talks with separatist leaders to secure a lasting peace settlement.
However, President Volodymyr Zelensky and top Ukrainian officials have since claimed that the agreement is unfavorable to Kiev and was signed under duress by their predecessors. Insisting that the rebels are Russian proxies, Zelensky has instead claimed he should hold talks with Putin alone, while Moscow has demanded his government work to implement the accords."
Putin tells Ukraine how to end Donbass war
Russian President Vladimir Putin has said Ukraine must hold talks with Donbass leaders to end fighting
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Donetsk and Lugansk declared their autonomy from Kiev in 2014 after violent street protests felled the Eastern European nation’s elected government. Under the terms of the Minsk agreements, signed later that year, Kiev must hold talks with separatist leaders to secure a lasting peace settlement.
However, President Volodymyr Zelensky and top Ukrainian officials have since claimed that the agreement is unfavorable to Kiev and was signed under duress by their predecessors. Insisting that the rebels are Russian proxies, Zelensky has instead claimed he should hold talks with Putin alone, while Moscow has demanded his government work to implement the accords."
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The guy that heard a who?
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The Thriller
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Sounds like the invasion will begin shortly…
I hope this becomes the catalyst for real regime change in Russia.
I hope this becomes the catalyst for real regime change in Russia.
Avery
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A real gentleman will take in many.
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Republicans will still find a way to blame Biden and the west. Apparently China is now siding with the Nazi Ukrainian neo liberal conservatives Nazi George Soros Biden Democrat Hillary anti Russian totalitarians. The west is so mean. Poor innocent Putin and Russia always bullied by the west and now China. Right @babe
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