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The *OFFICIAL* Russia Is About To Invade Ukraine Thread

Maybe not. You have to remember that we went to war against Russia, and had troops in Russia fighting Russians from 1918 through 1920. In that war we were fighting side-by-side with Japanese forces. Ultimately we got pwned and subsequently the United States refused to recognize the Soviet Union as a nation until 1934.



There were those who wanted to keep fighting and take out the Soviets in 1945. While never formally put in place, Winston Churchill had commissioned battleplans for doing exactly that in what was termed 'Operation Unthinkable'. I don't think the 1940's people would be surprised at all if you told them Russia would become enemy #1.


Just a great example of how regime changes dictate everything. Outside of the UK and that nasty little dustup we had in the 1700's, our global allies have come and gone.
 
I have seen Australian media pushing the idea of a pending coup. You can find that idea from media based in other countries but not to the same level. For some reason the Australians have decided to run with that football.





Overthrowing Putin is an obvious idea that has been discussed, in subtle but unmistakable terms, by our own "elites". Go look at the better thread next door.

Who would imagine that western influence peddling and corruption doesn't reach into the Russian oligarchy? Biden's son Hunter has been all over the whole damn world asking for favors. Billions in foreign aid, all that. Does anyone here really think that globalism doesn't work that way????

Look at Hillary and Bill, getting a cut of almost every nation on earth's "Entertainment" budget line.

So, from the Australian news bit above, it's Putin's own insiders that set hi9m up, gave him false information, to help goad him into doing this brash criminal war, and his own troops filled with political opponents sabotaging his plans, shooting holes in gas tanks etcv etc.

Putin is the target because he has openly criticized the current globalism junta. It may be he was wanting more influence at that table.

I had a link to a Mexican story in the other thread that had an interview with a professional murderer for a cartel. The way you get on the rubout list is by making too much of yourself.

It really doesn't matter what scale of crime you're on, petty gasoline thieves or global megalomaniacal honchos. Or Putin's ring. Or, even, with Lenin or Stalin. It's the person who becomes a competitor, or a realistic alternative, who has to be axed.

Any system without actual enforced laws capable of preventing the development of systemic corruption goes to hell this way. The UN is hell warmed over.

That's why people have to hobble their governments to mundane tasks no one else would care to do. Come to think of it, being a government official or bureaucrat should be something like a Mormon bishop. Hold a drawing like a draft or something. You get called up to a term of two years, paid next to nothing, and then you're free for twenty years at least. You go to jail if you take a bribe or even have a lunch with anyone who could possibly want a favor.

Either that, or hold a lottery each year to fire 10% of all unelected government people. With term limits for the Courts and elected offices.
 
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Most of the US history since the progressive era became dominant in our politics has been wars we fight for Britain. Our Civil War was provoked by agitators on both sides, secessionists and abolitionists, financed by British money. Our Masonic Lodges were heavily influenced from Britain as well. With the advent of secular humanism and political philosophies cultivated in Europe, we adopted Educational and professional schools from Europe as well.

The Spanish-American War was set up by a false-flag operation, the sinking of the Maine. "Remember the Maine" set us out on a colonial track sort of allied to Britain. We took some of Spain's colonial holdings, even fighting and defeating local "freedom fighters" or nationalist liberty organizations, as in the Philippines.

Britain's merchant shipping has always been threatened, as seen by the royal eyes, by a transcontinental railroad from China to Paris. Every time a plan for something like that has gotten traction and looked real, we get another damn world war.

Royal feuding has caused a lot of wars. That was part of the problem with Russia and England from the American Revolution. Russian ships helped keep British supply ships out of the southern ports during the civil war and kept British warships from organizing in the Pacific off of California. Czar Peter II declared Russian support for the North, advocated restoring the Union, and freed the serfs in 1861. The Czar just had to go, ya know.

Communism was a foil designed by British and European elites to counter the ideals of the American revolution and displace them from the political scene. I mean, Karl Marx, what a despicable man he was, but useful.

I think Putin and even Xi see global politics much in this light today. Not "Marxist" at all, just totalitarian nationalists/racists. In their view, it's us, the West, that are the thugs, barbarians. The slovenly undisciplined ignoramuses in need of better civilization.

An old Mormon prophecy said the United States would "waste its strength on useless foreign wars" and be torn with civil war within. Something to do with the devil, and all that. And our sins.

Some people blame the Devil for everything. I don't need to go to such an extreme when there are British Interests in the room.
 
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I'm not denying anything you are saying. My comment was more related to the other thread that strayed into the power of influence. Given that I have seen that sort of content coming out of Australia, it isn't surprising to me that if someone on this board were to float the idea of a coup against Putin it would be from someone with a greater exposure to that market/content even if you hate or distrust one of the outlets purveying it.


I wouldn't reflect my view as the typical Australian view, we're actually getting very little coverage of the war here. I spent a couple of years studying Soviet history and wrote a thesis on Nikolai Bukharin (hence my username) I think Putin has overplayed his hand based on a historical miscalculation, as we all know Stalin has been very much in fashion in Russia in the last ten years but Putin has missed the historical reality of his dictatorship. We will all see how this plays out.
 
It has been reported that Putin has stated that achieving his goals in Ukraine was worth the death of 50,000 Russian soldiers…the estimate so far is 7,000-15,000 killed.


 
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Stop complaining about fuel prices, not since the days of the Spanish Republic has one nation fought for more people.
 

Nice article from retired ADF General Mick Ryan
I've read a number of articles like this and I do hope a lot of it isn't wishful thinking. It is undeniable that Ukraine is taking territory back but there are also beginning to be reports of large stores of supplies in Belarus and Crimea. I have read a few opinions believing the Russians pulled back to spots they believed they could hold and are about to re-invade Ukraine with a new logistics strategy aimed at a more prolonged combat. The retaking of areas by Ukrainian troops could be temporary and deliberate on the part of the Russians.
 
I've read a number of articles like this and I do hope a lot of it isn't wishful thinking. It is undeniable that Ukraine is taking territory back but there are also beginning to be reports of large stores of supplies in Belarus and Crimea. I have read a few opinions believing the Russians pulled back to spots they believed they could hold and are about to re-invade Ukraine with a new logistics strategy aimed at a more prolonged combat. The retaking of areas by Ukrainian troops could be temporary and deliberate on the part of the Russians.

They're having issues with Belarus, seems the railway workers aren't big fans of the invasion. The Ukrainian counter offensive makes a lot of sense, prevent Russia from fortifying their positions and continuing to press their troops that have so far shown little desire to fight. Their performance thus far has been colossal, fingers crossed the keep making the Russians pay for every yard.

Im not convinced that the Russian have a massive reserve capability to continue their offensive. Aside from the logistics challenges they also need to have soldiers willing and capable of doing it, so far they've not shown much. Even in Mariupol they're not advancing, just shelling the city and trying to starve it into surrender, they've shown little appetite for street fighting. I mean who knows what happens next, but if the Ukrainian's can continue pushing the Russian back around Kiev its definitely encouraging. Putin might look to consolidate gains in the South and East but I think the fighting there is far from over too.
 
Their performance thus far has been colossal
There was a piece I read in the Atlantic in which an American who is fighting in Ukraine said the Ukrainian tactics and results have changed warfare. He said that soldiers with antitank weapons are so effective now that tanks have become deathtraps. For the Russians that is a huge problem because their entire military philosophy is built around tank warfare.

Since February 24, the Ukrainian military has convincingly displayed the superiority of an anti-platform-centric method of warfare. Or, as Jed put it, “In Afghanistan, I used to feel jealous of those tankers, buttoned up in all that armor. Not anymore.”

 
He said that soldiers with antitank weapons are so effective now that tanks have become deathtraps.

It's been that way for a while. The wars in former Yugoslavia in the 90s demonstrated this, as well.

Ukraine's population is 70% urban. Taking large chunks of countryside means very little in a tactical sense. On the other hand, tanks do little in urban warfare. The 50km column of Russian armour going towards Kiev looked impressive, but what were they going to do? Frontal assault on a city of 3 million?

Mariupol may well fall to Russia in the coming weeks, but if it does, it will be through surrender. I don't think the Russian army has the military capability or the stomach to take the city building by building. The casualties would be astronomical. You can use technology and pummel a city into rubble, but eventually real live human beings are needed to go in there and take it.
 
One story that isn't getting a lot of press is how many Americans are fighting in Ukraine. According to Ukrainian President Zelenskyy they number in the "thousands".



Technically it is a crime for Americans to go to Ukraine to kill Russians. It is a violation of the Neutrality Act but no one seriously believes any of these Americans will be prosecuted upon their return.

 
It's been that way for a while. The wars in former Yugoslavia in the 90s demonstrated this, as well.

Ukraine's population is 70% urban. Taking large chunks of countryside means very little in a tactical sense. On the other hand, tanks do little in urban warfare. The 50km column of Russian armour going towards Kiev looked impressive, but what were they going to do? Frontal assault on a city of 3 million?

Mariupol may well fall to Russia in the coming weeks, but if it does, it will be through surrender. I don't think the Russian army has the military capability or the stomach to take the city building by building. The casualties would be astronomical. You can use technology and pummel a city into rubble, but eventually real live human beings are needed to go in there and take it.

Their only real hope is to starve them out. Unlikely to work in the short term. If the Ukraiian counter offensive is successful the balance in this war will hopefully turn.
 
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