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The Official Swing for the Fences and throw a max offer at Kawhi Leonard thread

Hantlers said:
Pretty crazy.
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Leonard, to me, is a poor man's AK, in that he can't shoot or carry a team offensively, but is special defensively.

Been there, done that. No thanks. Matthews can impact the game defensively just as good, and is a much better shooter and fit for Utah.

That being said, I'm basing all this off Exum becoming an All-Star.

I guess what I'm saying in all my ramblings is that we have defense, elite defense right now: Gobert, Favors, Hayward, Exum. We need shooters/scoring. Leonard doesn't fit that. Matthews does. So, for the money, I'd rather not have Leonard.
 
green said:
Leonard, to me, is a poor man's AK, in that he can't shoot or carry a team offensively, but is special defensively.

Been there, done that. No thanks. Matthews can impact the game defensively just as good, and is a much better shooter and fit for Utah.

That being said, I'm basing all this off Exum becoming an All-Star.

I guess what I'm saying in all my ramblings is that we have defense, elite defense right now: Gobert, Favors, Hayward, Exum. We need shooters/scoring. Leonard doesn't fit that. Matthews does. So, for the money, I'd rather not have Leonard.
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Leonard does have a much higher ceiling than Matthews though.
 
I did find it odd they didn't give him the 5 year max extension, would have saved them money in the long run. But you don't really question the Spurs methods they are one of the most successful ran teams in NBA history.
 
He can't shoot? He's career 49% FG and 37% from 3, 80% FT... and that includes this season where by reports he has problem with his eye, which will take a while to heal.
 
We was the god dammed finals MVP. AK cried in a press conference. They are in no way similar. Leonard is currently more impactful right now than Matthews will ever be... And he will still get better. Matthews is really good but he is at his peak.
 
Revolution 9 said:
Where does the shooting come from if we max out Big Hands?
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If we had kwahi no one would be able to score on us so it wouldn't matter. Jebus people... If we could get Leonard... Which we can't... You do it and figure out the rest later.
 
To max Leonard, you would probably need to renounce Booker. We can likely have Matthews at $13 million AND Booker which is better for me as a fan. Matthews is just exactly what the team needs and is gettable. No need to be screwing around with this Leonard stuff. . .
 
green said:
Leonard, to me, is a poor man's AK, in that he can't shoot or carry a team offensively, but is special defensively.

Been there, done that. No thanks. Matthews can impact the game defensively just as good, and is a much better shooter and fit for Utah.
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Only a Jazz fan can belittle Leonard's qualities.

Having Kawhi with the Jazz would be a huge thing...but let's stop dreaming.
 
spycam1 said:
I'm not saying there's a good chance at all that the Spurs wouldn't match, but I think it's ****ing weird that they didn't offer it to him already and am seriously curious as to why. If you think a player is a legit cornerstone to your franchise moving forward, you don't jerk them around.

There's no one here that will be saying we should wait till Gobert becomes an RFA to give him a max offer sheet.
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Kawhi is doing them a favor so they can chase a FA before they sign him. I think it's similar to what Chandler Parsons was originally doing with Houston when the Rockets were chasing Bosh. Bosh needed to sign first or they wouldn't have had cap space. Of course Parsons then bolted for more money. I DOUBT Kawhi would do the same since they are willing to go the max.
 
framer said:
To max Leonard, you would probably need to renounce Booker. We can likely have Matthews at $13 million AND Booker which is better for me as a fan. Matthews is just exactly what the team needs and is gettable. No need to be screwing around with this Leonard stuff. . .
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Agree. Matthews might be a little upset they traded for Afflalo. And he owes us for leaving :p.
I think we showed him what the future of the WC is going to be going forward: GOBERT or GO HOME!

That was absolutely the funnest Jazz game I have watched in YEARS. No one could score on us and then we started raining down 3's. Who wouldn't want to be a part of that?!
 
I'm not sold on Leonard and I stand by my AK comparison.

Leonard played with Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, etc.

AK had...trash.

I think Leonard falls hard when Duncan and Parker leave. I don't think he can carry a team. He is a perfect third wheel.

I wouldn't trade Hayward for him.
 
David Stern said:
Yeah, this deserves its own thread. Kawhi is the PERFECT player to add to our current starting 5. We have the cap room to try to sign him, so we should swing for the fences. Obviously this deal would have to be extremely toxic to the Spurs in order to have a chance of them not matching. What could Lindsey do that would be allowed?
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Well damn. I'll say this: A starting lineup of Exum (when his body matures a bit especially) Hayward, Leonard, Faves, and Gobert would be damn good defensively.
 
Stifle Tower said:
Agree. Matthews might be a little upset they traded for Afflalo. And he owes us for leaving :p.
I think we showed him what the future of the WC is going to be going forward: GOBERT or GO HOME!

That was absolutely the funnest Jazz game I have watched in YEARS. No one could score on us and then we started raining down 3's. Who wouldn't want to be a part of that?!
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A bit of homerism going on here haha. Hey, is your twitter account @Iamautahjazzfan?
 
green said:
Leonard, to me, is a poor man's AK, in that he can't shoot or carry a team offensively, but is special defensively.

Been there, done that. No thanks. Matthews can impact the game defensively just as good, and is a much better shooter and fit for Utah.

That being said, I'm basing all this off Exum becoming an All-Star.

I guess what I'm saying in all my ramblings is that we have defense, elite defense right now: Gobert, Favors, Hayward, Exum. We need shooters/scoring. Leonard doesn't fit that. Matthews does. So, for the money, I'd rather not have Leonard.
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Green, it appears you are understating Leonard as a shooter a bit. He's above the league average and his points per possession is well above the league average. And you are forgetting that Leonard is absolutely special on the defensive side of the ball. His defense on Bron and rebounding at the 4 was key to Spurs victory. Matthews is a good defender but Leonard is certainly a tier higher defensively. He's also much longer than Matthews.
 
Stifle Tower said:
I don't have a twitter account. What a waste of time!

(says the man with nearly 17K posts on a sports board)
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Haha. I asked cause your avatar is the same as The twitter account profile picture I just mentioned. Know its a popular picture but I thought there was a slim chance.
 
green said:
No thanks to Leonard. I'd rather have Wes Matthews. Equal defender, better shooter. Leonard, Favors, Gobert = no spacing.
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Do you watch games outside of who the Jazz play?? Do you watch other teams aside from when they're playing the Jazz??? Wes Mathews is a better player that Matthews?? Really?? Is there a typo??
 
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