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The Paths Forward From Here

Which path should we take?

  • Compete now - Trade for a "star" (Dejounte Murray, Zach LaVine, Quickley, or a similar type player)

    Votes: 16 21.1%

  • Chill mode - Just ride the fence until next offseason

    Votes: 2 2.6%

  • Consolidate and roll with the young players more - trade some of KO, THT, Clarkson, Collins, Sexton

    Votes: 50 65.8%

  • Tank City - Pursue a Lauri trade that nets us a haul and start a true 3-4 year tank

    Votes: 8 10.5%
  • Total voters
    76
KqWIN said:
RFA is hard to predict. Sometimes it inflates a guy’s value, sometimes it’s the other direction like what happened with Reeves. If Quickley gets a 4/160 offer, it could be because some other team is trying to F with us….but imo, it would more likely be the result of Quickley producing like he did last season as a starter.

Hopefully you could arrange this beforehand. Ideally this would have been done before the season to lock it in, but a 5/$125 deal for Quickley would actually be a steal imo. If you make it flat, that’s only 17% of the cap to begin with and based on projections that would drop to 14-15% by the end of it.

I think Murray has a larger reputation and therefore would automatically have a higher price. The certainty in his deal also counts for a lot. He will just cost a lot more than Quickley imo, and all things contract related equal I prefer Quickley as a player.
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Austin had some other limitations but yes… RFA will do some things. I think there will be some desperate teams with space that will go hunting for a guy like IQ.

I think you could get in front of it and offer like 5/150 and hopefully he doesn’t go shopping for a better market or higher offer. I think the new cba allows convos with your own FAs early.

I agree Murray likely costs more. He’s under contract and also has been traded recently so has a “comp” kind of.

Either guy may cost us our pick this year on top of the acquisition cost. Price that in however you want. There is a chance we’d stay below the protections I suppose but it will be close.

In reading an article Knicks wanted IQ at 18M he wanted closer to 25… a very reasonable number. The fact they balked tells me they think they will move him or view him as a bench player… or they have a cap budget they don’t want to exceed. It’s weird not to find common ground if they plan on keeping him long term.
 
Tremendous Upside said:
He is, but that's why I said they could replace him with an even cheaper guy. He's playing a basic bruiser role for the Knicks.
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He’s likely starting the rest of the season and will likely be the replacement starter when Robinson goes out for 30 games each year. We can say they can just get a scrap heap guy but how’d that work for Phoenix this year?
 
If we wanted Murray we should play the Quin loves Jordan Clarkson card and put him in the deal. I mean they had matching custom hats about Jordan letting the bleeper fly. Get them back together. Hawks already have the worst defense and you can't get worster than worst.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Scrap heap is probably overstating it, but he's a pretty average big. Whatever Thibs is doing with him hasnt come close to that year he had for teh Clippers.
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He's a finesse big (the good kind, unlike Kessler) but I guess the Knicks don't really need that side of his game. He's getting a lot less early paint touches than with the Clips.

IMO NY would do fine with a guy like Yurt7.
 
Tremendous Upside said:
He's a finesse big (the good kind, unlike Kessler) but I guess the Knicks don't really need that side of his game. He's getting a lot less early paint touches than with the Clips.

IMO NY would do fine with a guy like Yurt7.
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With Robinson being as injury prone as he is I think paying Hartenstein 8-10M is an okay use of cap. Its paying for Donte, Hart, RJ and then pay raises for Grimes, Brunson, IQ that will make things difficult for them.
 
If Quickly is so amazing that the Jazz should be trading multiple picks for him and signing him to a big contract, why is he only getting 24 mpg and why would the Knicks entertain trading him?

I don't follow the Knicks so this is a real question. Is it just because they already have Brunson and wouldn't want to have so much money going to guards?
 
Friend2bees said:
If Quickly is so amazing that the Jazz should be trading multiple picks for him and signing him to a big contract, why is he only getting 24 mpg and why would the Knicks entertain trading him?

I don't follow the Knicks so this is a real question. Is it just because they already have Brunson and wouldn't want to have so much money going to guards?
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Their best at is 6' tall and IQ is 6'2. It's not that hard to understand
 
tksavis said:
It’s a different economic era in terms of salary cap and player salary ranges. What IQ is apparently looking for won’t seem that crazy very soon
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I still wouldn't be the team that gives it to him....assuming anyone does. FWIW, IQ may think he deserves Desmond Bane money.
 
Option 4 for me. I love Lauri, but he is the 3rd best player on an championship team. BEST CASE he has a dirk nowitzki type one off championship next to a great guard. But he is not an alpha like dirk was so we need an Alpha type talent and fast. Like, window is probably closing with if we draft that stud next year fast.

I want to see a championship before I am 50. I would take one before I am 60. Get ALL DEM BALLS hire the best talent scouts and pick the next Lebron and let's do this.

3 OKCs 1sts (our 2024, rockets and clips unprotected 2026 are musts) 2 pick swaps with our worst picks for their best, and a couple of rookie/2nd year players. I am all in on that tank. When do you get a chance to trade 3 All Stars for historic hauls? Trade 2 and stay mediocre. Trade 3 and reach legendary status later.
 
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Everyone seems to be pretty sure that Cooper Flagg is a generational talent who's worth tanking for. I think it's a bit early for that. We've only seen him face high school competition, and he seems to have been a bit of an early bloomer.

My main concern is that he doesn't seem to have NBA quickness for his size. It wouldn't matter that much if he was 6'10'' like the BS hype machine says, but he's not... he's 6'8'', like Buzelis. That's a small forward.

I like his game a lot, but some of his success has clearly come from physically dominating high schoolers. He's very long, which is good, but his foot speed is nothing special even at the HS level.
 
Tremendous Upside said:
Everyone seems to be pretty sure that Cooper Flagg is a generational talent who's worth tanking for. I think it's a bit early for that. We've only seen him face high school competition, and he seems to have been a bit of an early bloomer.

My main concern is that he doesn't seem to have NBA quickness for his size. It wouldn't matter that much if he was 6'10'' like the BS hype machine says, but he's not... he's 6'8'', like Buzelis. That's a small forward.

I like his game a lot, but some of his success has clearly come from physically dominating high schoolers. He's very long, which is good, but his foot speed is nothing special even at the HS level.
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I think he's definitely 6'9 (at least) and like most 17 year olds could still potentially be growing. Obviously pictures arent perfect, but he's at least the same height as Lebron, if not taller.

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