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The REAL reason Mark Jackson got fired!!!

carolinajazz

carolinajazz

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"It all started off on the wrong foot, with Jackson deciding to coach the Warriors while living in Los Angeles and presiding over his church as pastor. Management found this arrangement less than ideal, but Jackson flat out refused to reconsider. Being a pastor meant a lot to him, and he wasn’t giving it up for anything."

...sounds like an issue involving "Church and State" to me! Perhaps Jackson was insisting on Creation over Evolution.....or believed in the Trinity and "hellfire"???
 
church vs state?

I think you've gotten one too many piercings!

But if that's the reason, it's pretty sad.


oh and do you have a link?
 
moevillini said:
church vs state?

I think you've gotten one too many piercings!

But if that's the reason, it's pretty sad.


oh and do you have a link?
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...sorry Mo! I forgot to post the link, you're right. Here it is:

https://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/...olden-state-warriors-upset-way-firing-handled

It's the only one I researched, however, according to another poster, other sources are surfacing that religion was in the equation for his firing! The expression "Church vs. State" is used when there is a major conflict of interest and one party is religious and the other "secular". Of course, a big college boy like you knew that already, right?!!!
 
carolinajazz said:
The expression "Church vs. State" is used when there is a major conflict of interest and one party is religious and the other "secular".
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No, "Church vs. State" is used one a person in the majority religion uses that position to create some sort of government approval or privilege for that religion, and often the opposing person is just as religious. For example, most of the members of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation are Christians, and they use "Church vs. State" language to keep Christian superiors from endorsing a different branch of Christendom.

That Mark Jackson chose to run a second operation while being the head coach of the Warriors is not an issue of church vs. state. The Warriors would have reacted the same way if Jackson were managing an ice-cream stand. Its a division of his time and priorities, and being a head coach in the NBA means you give that all of your professional attention, not just 99% of it.
 
One Brow said:
No, "Church vs. State" is used one a person in the majority religion uses that position to create some sort of government approval or privilege for that religion, and often the opposing person is just as religious. For example, most of the members of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation are Christians, and they use "Church vs. State" language to keep Christian superiors from endorsing a different branch of Christendom.

That Mark Jackson chose to run a second operation while being the head coach of the Warriors is not an issue of church vs. state. The Warriors would have reacted the same way if Jackson were managing an ice-cream stand. Its a division of his time and priorities, and being a head coach in the NBA means you give that all of your professional attention, not just 99% of it.
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This is always how I have known it and heard it used as well.
 
There was a big story last week before he was fired about how he led team prayer before every game and practice. They said Bogut was the only player that did not participate.

At the time I wondered how long it would be before an employee made a claim about it, I also wondered if it had anything to do with the two assistants who were abruptly fired.

With respect to religion, Title VII prohibits: treating applicants or employees differently based on their religious beliefs or practices – or lack thereof – in any aspect of employment, including recruitment, hiring, assignments, discipline, promotion, and benefits (disparate treatment);
subjecting employees to harassment because of their religious beliefs or practices – or lack thereof – or because of the religious practices or beliefs of people with whom they associate (e.g., relatives, friends, etc.);
 
Let's not quibble about semantics. The point is that his overt religious beliefs may have had a bearing on his firing. As pointed out, no one is going to say this because it's illegal to dismiss someone because of their religious beliefs, but the fact that these stories are surfacing suggest that it did.
 
One Brow said:
That Mark Jackson chose to run a second operation while being the head coach of the Warriors is not an issue of church vs. state. The Warriors would have reacted the same way if Jackson were managing an ice-cream stand. Its a division of his time and priorities, and being a head coach in the NBA means you give that all of your professional attention, not just 99% of it.
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...oh, really Brow??? I suspect with your comprehension skills and college tutoring your reaction to being the ancestor of a chimpanzee rather than a descendent of Adam and Eve.....was enthusiastically endorsed! By the way, don't basketball players as well as coaches have side jobs/contracts endorsing various products/shoes/clothing, etc even WHILE still playing or coaching there teams with no repercussions from ownership or management? I thought so.
 
carolinajazz said:
By the way, don't basketball players as well as coaches have side jobs/contracts endorsing various products/shoes/clothing, etc even WHILE still playing or coaching there teams with no repercussions from ownership or management? I thought so.
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An endorsement takes a couple of afternoons per commercial to film. Managing a business, whether a pastorage or an ice-cream shop, is an on-going commitment.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
Let's not quibble about semantics. The point is that his overt religious beliefs may have had a bearing on his firing.
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To the degree it played a role at all, it was his refusal to step down as pastor of a congregation that was the issue, not the beliefs itself.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
Let's not quibble about semantics. The point is that his overt religious beliefs may have had a bearing on his firing. As pointed out, no one is going to say this because it's illegal to dismiss someone because of their religious beliefs, but the fact that these stories are surfacing suggest that it did.
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...now here's a guy with some common sense! I suspect you probably never went to college....and if you did....dropped out after a couple of semesters because you realized you were wasting both time and money!!!
 
One Brow said:
That Mark Jackson chose to run a second operation while being the head coach of the Warriors is not an issue of church vs. state. The Warriors would have reacted the same way if Jackson were managing an ice-cream stand. Its a division of his time and priorities, and being a head coach in the NBA means you give that all of your professional attention, not just 99% of it.
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It IS a division of time and priorities. But I disagree with you on the rest. Owning/running an ice cream stand in LA is different than bringing that ice cream business to GS and running it on team premises. Reportedly, he was not just having pre-game prayers with players. There were SEPARATE buses taking players to each game so those who chose to could attend a pre-game worship service LED by Coach/Reverend Jackson.

Let me put it this way. If you had a boss that said to everyone in your department, "work day starts at 8:00, but I'm also a Reverend and I hold worship service at 7:15 a.m. I invite & encourage all of you to attend so we can get the day off to a great start. We'll meet here, and then transportation will be provided to/from the service." Would you have a problem with that? Do you think employees would feel pressured to attend even if their belief systems are different or they don't believe in religion at all?

So "Separation of Church and State" was not a correct term, but there is still a definite question of ethics in Jackson being the HC and inviting/encouraging employees to attend religious meetings he runs.
 
Core4 said:
It IS a division of time and priorities. But I disagree with you on the rest. Owning/running an ice cream stand in LA is different than bringing that ice cream business to GS and running it on team premises. Reportedly, he was not just having pre-game prayers with players. There were SEPARATE buses taking players to each game so those who chose to could attend a pre-game worship service LED by Coach/Reverend Jackson.

Let me put it this way. If you had a boss that said to everyone in your department, "work day starts at 8:00, but I'm also a Reverend and I hold worship service at 7:15 a.m. I invite & encourage all of you to attend so we can get the day off to a great start. We'll meet here, and then transportation will be provided to/from the service." Would you have a problem with that? Do you think employees would feel pressured to attend even if their belief systems are different or they don't believe in religion at all?

So "Separation of Church and State" was not a correct term, but there is still a definite question of ethics in Jackson being the HC and inviting/encouraging employees to attend religious meetings he runs.
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....excellent post! Fine illustrations to fit the material and audience! My expression "separation of church and state" was just a "generalization" of sorts that was clearly seen by even the most casual observer on this board
as meaning he was "forcing" religious views on his players! I'm sure a college grad like you picked up on that right away! Right?
 
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