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I have to agree with Kicky here. Clutch, you're a fine enough kid but I totally recall how you were going out of your way to push the envelope.
 
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Only if you want to engage in a game in which all things you agree with are put in the box called "context" and all things you don't agree with are put in the box called "character."

That Clutch made several previous comments to safetydan on the same subject matter and was purposely pushing the line on the exact same issue over and over again around that period of time I would call "context." Apparently you would call it "character."

In any event, I don't think you've advanced a case that the decision was invalid on the merits articulated.

Who's engaging in games here? Apparently my definition of board character and thread context wasn't good enough to avoid your semantics battle. Getting into your game of definition alteration as to invalidate/ignore/minimize a point is pretty silly.

I submitted a suggestion. If you disagree with it then you disagree with it. I see no point in purposefully blurring lines to admit a personal bias without specifically doing so. I suggested taking a specific post in context of a specific thread. If that box isn't specific enough for you then nothing is going to be.
 
Franklin, what you said was "maybe moderators can consider context a little more." Apparently what you meant by that was "consider the overall context as little as possible."

Each moderator probably votes a little differently, but I'll tell you right now that I'm not going to ever pretend every other post by a poster doesn't exist only to consider a specific statement in a vacuum. That seems like a classic way to make bad decisions.
 
I have to agree with Kicky here. Clutch, you're a fine enough kid but I totally recall how you were going out of your way to push the envelope.

by having a convo with safetydan after he opened the discussion up for discussion? that envelope must not be too stable.

That Clutch made several previous comments to safetydan on the same subject matter and was purposely pushing the line on the exact same issue over and over again around that period of time I would call "context."

Sorry for trying to learn something. Book burner.
 
Wait a second... are you really characterizing changing the word "dog" to "dong" and making a gay joke as an effort to open up dialogue?

You've got to be trolling.

I was referring to your "context" of my previous exchanges with mr. dan.

The dong thing was just me being hilarious and a lot of others being no fun homophobes.
 
Obviously you're on notice that you should refrain from being "hilarious" in the future.

I'm glad we can consider this matter closed and I wish you well in your efforts to restrain yourself from receiving a fifth infraction.
 
Each moderator probably votes a little differently, but I'll tell you right now that I'm not going to ever pretend every other post by a poster doesn't exist only to consider a specific statement in a vacuum. That seems like a classic way to make bad decisions.

Or defense of biased judgeship, depending on which side of the fence you sit. I guess.

Wasn't defending a stance easy? Man up next time and hold confident in your position. It would have saved a bit of nonsense.

Franklin, what you said was "maybe moderators can consider context a little more." Apparently what you meant by that was "consider the overall context as little as possible."

Apparently? My suggestion was clear. I don't get your motivation for continually attempting to make what I said ambiguous??? I'm going to provide all of it again, in context, and bolding the sections you obviously missed.

I'm going to step in here at the expense of sticking my neck out for back lashings Michael Fay-esque. Unless that thread was altered, I saw nothing in Clutch's post that was meant to be hurtful, bigoted, or intolerant in any way whatsoever. As a personal suggestion that I'm sure doesn't mean much, and probably shouldn't based on my caustic temperament, maybe moderators can consider context a little more and character or board history a little less. Clutch made a wise crack that fit well into the context of that thread. This was an example of the character of this forum which makes it exceptional. I would hate to see the character be derailed by PC driven moderating policies, or by minority agenda just to kowtow to a few.

I want to be clear that I highly respect the moderating practices here, and find them highly superior, tediously so, to other forums I've frequented and generally found intolerant, lazy, etc. (you pick the mold). With that said, I also think the recent inundation of complaints may be a sign that things are getting out of hand. Again, I'm expressing this sincerely and with respect.

--Craig *******

There's no ambiguity. I suggested considering context within the thread more than context outside of the thread. Is there a thorough enough Windex cleaning that you can see out of the glass house now?
 
Oh, how incredibly convenient. Incredibly.

Well, you know, I don't have the luxury of living in my mother's basement. I have a job, a wife, and kids. While at work, I actually work. I don't have a computer at work. I don't have internet on my phone. When I'm home with my wife and kids, I choose to give them the attention they deserve. That's why I take the time in the morning to get on the interwebz.
One day you'll hit puberty and realize there are other things in life.
 
Well, you know, I don't have the luxury of living in my mother's basement. I have a job, a wife, and kids. While at work, I actually work. I don't have a computer at work. I don't have internet on my phone. When I'm home with my wife and kids, I choose to give them the attention they deserve. That's why I take the time in the morning to get on the interwebz.
One day you'll hit puberty and realize there are other things in life.

catratchowend! LOL!
 
...a poster who has been previously warned about the content of their posts should have a better idea of what's acceptable and what isn't than a poster who's never received any communication regarding appropriate content. So in that sense, we may be more lenient towards a poster who occasionally violates the rules than one who habitually violates them.

franklin, pay attention please - - as I stated above, there is a very good reason why a poster's "character" (as you chose to call it, I wouldn't use that term myself - I would call it "history") comes into play. If you can't understand why moderators might expect a poster who has received previous warnings or infractions for breaking a rule should have a better understanding of what's expected than a poster who's never received such notice, then I don't know what more to say.

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in reference to your questions about the specific post in question, I'll be happy to explain my perspective. And though I was just one of the mods who voted for this infraction, I am the one who issued the infraction. Here is the message I sent to Clutch when the infraction was issued (note: due to the way the system issues these messages, what clutch actually received may differ slightly from what I've quoted below)

You have received an infraction at JazzFanz Community

Dear C l u t c H 385,

You have received an infraction at JazzFanz Community.

Reason: Insulted Other Member(s)
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This appears to be your 4th infraction and results in a 2 week ban. Your editing the quoted comments of another poster and adding your own comments is inappropriate and insulting.
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This infraction is worth 1 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.

Original Post:
https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?p=72730
C l u t c H 385 said:
memberX said:
I also enjoy eating dongs...
I thought it you made 150% straight?


as far as I was concerned, there were two things that bothered me with this post:

~ eating dongs is an inappropriate reference to a sexual activity, although by itself it might not be considered overly offensive

~ however, Clutch was not referring to himself in the comment "I like to eat dongs" he CHANGED another poster's words to make it seem as though that person likes to eat dongs. In my mind, that made it far more offensive. In general, I take a dim view of a poster editing another poster's words, even when it's purely good natured fun. And when it is done, in most cases, the poster adds a statement to make it clear that he has edited the words that were originally posted (ie, "Fixed that for you")

~ However, in this situation, Clutch did no such thing. Plus it was a grossly inappropriate reference to sexual activity and Clutch had absolutely no business trying to make it look as though someone else had made that statement.

So those were MY reasons to vote for the infraction in this situation. Clutch apparently did not agree that these were valid reasons. You may or may not agree, I have no idea. At any rate, that's my story and I'm sticking to it!
 
~ however, Clutch was not referring to himself in the comment "I like to eat dongs" he CHANGED another poster's words to make it seem as though that person likes to eat dongs.

I am dying laughing right now. I really can't stop. This has got to be the greatest sentence in the history of Jazzfanz. Thank you moe.
 
...however, Clutch was not referring to himself in the comment "I like to eat dongs" he CHANGED another poster's words to make it seem as though that person likes to eat dongs.
I am dying laughing right now. I really can't stop. This has got to be the greatest sentence in the history of Jazzfanz. Thank you moe.

I hadn't realized you were secretly wishing to come out of the closet. It's a big step just to admit it to yourself, so I'm glad I was able to facilitate going public with your secret. I hope it gets easier for you.


/grouphug
 
That was homophobic and insulting. But not so much as to stop the laughter.

I'm under the impression, and correct me if I'm wrong, that you're a middle aged woman and for some reason thinking about you saying 'eating dong' is hilarious to me.

Wanna adopt me? Have any daughters?
 
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I hadn't realized you were secretly wishing to come out of the closet. It's a big step just to admit it to yourself, so I'm glad I was able to facilitate going public with your secret. I hope it gets easier for you.


/grouphug

Moe, questioning someones orientation in a humorous manner seems like a personal attack based in homophobia. How do you reconcile that being while being a moderator?
 
Moe, questioning someones orientation in a humorous manner seems like a personal attack based in homophobia. How do you reconcile that being while being a moderator?


Heh, this here thread, it ROCKS, eh!? "Reconcile?" Purty simple, I figure. Mo IS a mod, see? That means they aint never no call to "reconcile" nuthin.
 
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