The refs were cowards
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Dirk's slap wasn't casual and was completely unnecessary. The ref was still giving the scoring table information about the last play (offensive foul on Favors) when Dirk aggressively slapped the ball out of Derrick's hands. He was not holding up the play. As Catratcho pointed out, he couldn't have inbounded the ball until the ref came over, grabbed the ball, and gave it to the inbounder.
BOTH should have been T'd up.
Grandpa Jazz
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Darn (in deference to your station in life ) straight Prof. I am not one of those people who are always howling about getting respect and people dis-respecting one's personal greatness/coolness/space or whatever. But when someone shows up a young player in the manner Dirk did then someone needs to step up and state clearly that as a team we will not tolerate this. That's what Earl did. If Kobe was doing exactly what Favors was doing would Dirk slap the ball out of his hands. No way in Hades. It wasn't just needed it was required and Earl's rep went way up in my estimation. Favors got the message and maybe was embarrassed that someone else had to stand up for him leading to some over-emotionalism. He will learn from this lesson and that was what it was, a lesson. A lesson from Earl to Derrick and the other young guys. Stand tall and stand proud and don't back down.
//r00t 4 Jazz
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Not really on topic but just wanted a place to rant. What I find irritating most games it seems the Jazz get called for at least one travel, I don't always see them but then I'm not looking for them but then I see the other team travel and it rarely if ever gets called.
*edit, I agree with Grandpa I was extatic that Earl came over and stood up for his young player and set a presidence. I also think Favors got the message which lead to his emotional reaction of tossing the ball and getting tossed*
*edit, I agree with Grandpa I was extatic that Earl came over and stood up for his young player and set a presidence. I also think Favors got the message which lead to his emotional reaction of tossing the ball and getting tossed*
It's such a minor thing.... no reason to lose control over it... it's a little game pros care about, slapping the ball out of someone's hands after the play is over, such a big deal over nothing...
i don't think it helped the Jazz to have Favors thrown out. However, maybe all the emotion helped the team play harder, so there is that trade off, but you could see the team just crumbling at the end. I think they did a lot of good things, and hopefully learn from the experience. If they do the little things right, they will win more.
i don't think it helped the Jazz to have Favors thrown out. However, maybe all the emotion helped the team play harder, so there is that trade off, but you could see the team just crumbling at the end. I think they did a lot of good things, and hopefully learn from the experience. If they do the little things right, they will win more.
What if we had lost by two points. Those two techs would look mighty bad.
Grandpa Jazz
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Really ! Personally i am a peaceful kind of person. And like to be diplomatic when unpleasantness come's up. But i would not smile and turn the other cheek, or variously, skulk away like a whipped puppy. You mean ...... YOU would ?
I would play better and win the game, show them up that way.
yes, it is nothing, no reason to lose it, get T'd, and get players thrown out.
Don't let the player slap the ball away from you if it is so important to you , that is all.
It is just a little mind game, and the Jazz let Dirk get into their heads and lose control over nothing
yes, it is nothing, no reason to lose it, get T'd, and get players thrown out.
Don't let the player slap the ball away from you if it is so important to you , that is all.
It is just a little mind game, and the Jazz let Dirk get into their heads and lose control over nothing
Grandpa Jazz
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I understand your point of view. I really would rather be diplomatic. However, pro sports is a different world. Its a bit like when Ostertag was slapped at a practice in LA. Kobe i think. And skulked away like a whipped puppy. He lost respect in just about everyone's eyes. In the real world or a perfect world his lack of reaction may even of been admirable. But not in that circumstance ! Favors will learn to maintain his cool after stuff like this happens. That's why i approve heartily of Earl's (attempted) retaliation.
The game favors criminal behavior too much, but I do not approve of using criminal behavior even though it does work... and just because another player gets away with it does not mean a Jazz player will get away with it. Violence plays a larger role than it should in determining success in the NBA than it should, but I do not approve of it.
Grandpa Jazz
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Now that's just an over-reaction Northeast. If Watson had taken a swing at Dirk that would of been very wrong and counter-productive and actual violence. Dirk's action was not criminal behavior either. He was searching for an edge, an Watson just told him to search elsewhere.
Grandpa Jazz
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Sigh !
A sigh?
You quote me, and say i overreacted, but in the quote I was referring to Kobe, not Watson.
I didn't say Watson assaulted anyone.
I think Watson overreacted, and you don't.
I am not surprised that the refs made him pay a price for his aggression.
I just don't think that the slap of a ball after the play is over is such a big deal.
You quote me, and say i overreacted, but in the quote I was referring to Kobe, not Watson.
I didn't say Watson assaulted anyone.
I think Watson overreacted, and you don't.
I am not surprised that the refs made him pay a price for his aggression.
I just don't think that the slap of a ball after the play is over is such a big deal.
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MVP
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It was Shaq, not Kobe. After one successfull game Tag said something to the media, like Shaq can be stopped. Then before next Jazz/Lakers game Shaq bitchslaped Tag and he fell on the floor crying" may lenses, my lenses". At least thats how it is written in Shaq's book.