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The Return -- Celtics @ Jazz 11/9/2019 7:30 pm MST ESPN

Catchall said:
Hayward sees himself as a perennial All Star. He wants the stardom. Moving east was supposed to help him make more All Star appearances, get easier match-ups in the early rounds of the playoffs, and get more national TV coverage. With his injury last year, unfortunately, he's not that guy right now.

The other thing is that Utah's whole offensive system was built around featuring Hayward, and running the pick-and-roll between Hayward and Gobert. In Brad Stevens' system of interchangeable players, Hayward wasn't going to be featured the same way. Also, without Rudy giving him screen assists, his numbers and efficiency were bound to drop. In other words, I'm not sure he was going to be the same All Star and max contract-caliber player in Boston, even before his injury. The Jazz would be better if we had him for sure, but I'm not sure we'd be legit contenders with Hayward on a max deal. Maybe we would. I guess we'll never know.
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The basketball fit was never ideal imo... specifically when you figure IT was going to use a lot of the possessions. Gordon is a really good player though and has a game that fits in well. He's clearly not right, but I think Stevens might be just a tad overrated. His offense is ugly... a lot of my turn, your turn stuff. Even without Hayward right now it should be more effective... their shot profile is goofy. When we miss we do it while trying to shoot the right shots... for the most part.

Hayward literally sits in the corner until it's his turn.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
The basketball fit was never ideal imo... specifically when you figure IT was going to use a lot of the possessions. Gordon is a really good player though and has a game that fits in well. He's clearly not right, but I think Stevens might be just a tad overrated. His offense is ugly... a lot of my turn, your turn stuff. Even without Hayward right now it should be more effective... their shot profile is goofy. When we miss we do it while trying to shoot the right shots... for the most part.

Hayward literally sits in the corner until it's his turn.
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And I wonder how happy he is with that. One of the reasons he went to the east was for an easier path to all stardom.
 
Whilst it’s difficult to ignore all the GH stuff, I just want to beat the Celtics, because they’re the ****ing Celtics.

I want Rubio to give Rozier nightmares for the next week, Don to remind Tatum why he is the best in their draft class and Rudy to just straight eat souls out there.

My boy Dante to have good game in his minutes would be icing on the cake.
 
Please Jazz fans, boo Robyn's husband mercilessly. I can't make it to the game despite really wanting to so I could savagely unleash pent up frustration and anger, and we need everybody to really step up and let the vitriol fly. The more embarrassing, the better. He crapped on the entire state, his team, his friends. Karma instantly reached out and grabbed him, not coincidentally by a player who the Jazz now have, which I expected. Now we get a chance to show him how you reap what you sow. After tonight, I will let it go.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
The basketball fit was never ideal imo... specifically when you figure IT was going to use a lot of the possessions. Gordon is a really good player though and has a game that fits in well. He's clearly not right, but I think Stevens might be just a tad overrated. His offense is ugly... a lot of my turn, your turn stuff. Even without Hayward right now it should be more effective... their shot profile is goofy. When we miss we do it while trying to shoot the right shots... for the most part.

Hayward literally sits in the corner until it's his turn.
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Yeah, they run a lot of isos and shoot a lot of low-percentage 2s. They're not a great shooting team. They're not a great rebounding team either. They defend pretty well, but I don't think they can really win a chip without better shooting and rebounding.
 
Jazz4ever said:
And I wonder how happy he is with that. One of the reasons he went to the east was for an easier path to all stardom.
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It's ironic... I think... maybe just unfortunate. Don't @me @NAOS
 
MilesDeep said:
Please Jazz fans, boo Robyn's husband mercilessly. I can't make it to the game despite really wanting to so I could savagely unleash pent up frustration and anger, and we need everybody to really step up and let the vitriol fly. The more embarrassing, the better. He crapped on the entire state, his team, his friends. Karma instantly reached out and grabbed him, not coincidentally by a player who the Jazz now have, which I expected. Now we get a chance to show him how you reap what you sow. After tonight, I will let it go.
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Get over it. Boo all you want you dummies booed him when drafted.

Wow then you wonder why no FAs come
 
stitches said:
Yeah, if it was some sort of SnT it works, but otherwise we would have needed to renounce Haywood and find some team to dump Burks to in order to come close to what TOR offered.
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It was in the weekly run podcast. So it has some legitimacy... what they said is Lowry was willing to sign if we renounce Hayward's caphold. We could have maneuvered some more money around or it may have been a longer deal. Maybe he comes for a 4 year 100-110 versus the 3/90 he took. Might have had a deal to trade Favs into someone's cap space (maybe not)... we could have easily cleared some room.
 
ijazz said:
Get over it. Boo all you want you dummies booed him when drafted.

Wow then you wonder why no FAs come
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And you enjoy Staning for a guy averaging single digit points... must be exciting cheering on Marcus Morris' backup. The NO years will be fun when he gets traded as part of the AD trade. He might get his scoring numbers up to 12 or 15 points depending on how many looks Julius Randle lets him get.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
And you enjoy Staning for a guy averaging single digit points... must be exciting cheering on Marcus Morris' backup. The NO years will be fun when he gets traded as part of the AD trade. He might get his scoring numbers up to 12 or 15 points depending on how many looks Julius Randle lets him get.
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Dude broke his leg. PG13 had a horrible year after he came back. I expect a crap year from GH, big deal he got hurt.
Still gets paid. He will be back to 100 in a year. If the Celts trade him, no worries, It is a business.

Hayward honored his contract with the Jazz and left after his contract. Even if you do not like him, the pure classless of this fan base is why FAs don't come. Scottie Pippen said today Jazz fans should give him a standing O. We know that ain't happening. (Though he got one after totally ripping the Bulls when he left).

It is a business, It's a game. Enjoy your Boos. Enjoy a crappy performance by Hayward at 50% then move on.

Cannot wait for Gobert to leave when he can... I will lmao.
 
ijazz said:
Dude broke his leg. PG13 had a horrible year after he came back. I expect a crap year from GH, big deal he got hurt.
Still gets paid. He will be back to 100 in a year. If the Celts trade him, no worries, It is a business.

Hayward honored his contract with the Jazz and left after his contract. Even if you do not like him, the pure classless of this fan base is why FAs don't come. Scottie Pippen said today Jazz fans should give him a standing O. We know that ain't happening. (Though he got one after totally ripping the Bulls when he left).

It is a business, It's a game. Enjoy your Boos. Enjoy a crappy performance by Hayward at 50% then move on.

Cannot wait for Gobert to leave when he can... I will lmao.
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He did honor his contract... and we poured a ton of resources into helping him become an amazing player... he put in the work but he would not be where he is now without us. We paid him fairly and stuck by him... he couldn’t give us the news straight... had to keep leading us on.

If Rudy leaves... he will be man enough to tell us... and he ain’t leaving.
 
I like the idea put out there of just straight silence across the arena when Hayward is announced.
 
ijazz said:
Dude broke his leg. PG13 had a horrible year after he came back. I expect a crap year from GH, big deal he got hurt.
Still gets paid. He will be back to 100 in a year. If the Celts trade him, no worries, It is a business.

Hayward honored his contract with the Jazz and left after his contract. Even if you do not like him, the pure classless of this fan base is why FAs don't come. Scottie Pippen said today Jazz fans should give him a standing O. We know that ain't happening. (Though he got one after totally ripping the Bulls when he left).

It is a business, It's a game. Enjoy your Boos. Enjoy a crappy performance by Hayward at 50% then move on.

Cannot wait for Gobert to leave when he can... I will lmao.
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The whole Utah fans are classless thing is such BS. Opposing players don't like a passionate crowd with backing a hard-nosed coached team (Always has been) and try to act like they're being picked on. Give me a damned break already with this nonsense. I have been to many arenas in several different states watching the Jazz and I have heard some very interesting things coming from each and every one of those crowds.
 
DasJazz said:
The whole Utah fans are classless thing is such BS. Opposing players don't like a passionate crowd with backing a hard-nosed coached team (Always has been) and try to act like they're being picked on. Give me a damned break already with this nonsense. I have been to many arenas in several different states watching the Jazz and I have heard some very interesting things coming from each and every one of those crowds.
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I mean Paul George will never re-sign with OKC... they boo’d KD and made cupcake signs.... oh wait he re-signed.

Fans never boo
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Hopefully they get some sort of fine. This is the issue... he has a hard time with conflict. Had he just been direct about leaving we would have no ammo to be as salty as we are. We'd still be pissed but not angry mob pissed.
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I wouldnt even be pissed if he would have just been direct about it.

I was wanting the jazz to trade him every off season, never bought any hayward merch and was never much of a hayward fan.

The way he left is the only reason im pissed. Hell we dodged a bullet not having to pay him all that
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
The Kyle Lowry stuff threw some new salt in the wound for me. If we had that lined up then opted to wait for Hayward to decide and to do the Ricky deal that is really ******. Who knows how real or complete it was... but mother eff... if you swapped Ricky for Kyle we'd be as close to a contender as anyone imo.

I didn't think we had serious contingency plans that were screwed up... once we did the Ricky deal we were pretty locked in cap wise. Sucks when you go all in and you lose.

The other part... Gordon doesn't get the benefit of DM saving us. If DM wasn't amazing the franchise would be in a world of hurt right now... likely looking at an end of lotto treadmill or a complete tear down rebuild.
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I remember hearing stuff about us losing out on gallinari due to hayward.
 
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