DutchJazzer
Banned
cool so we just have to disagree.
and hopefully the world will never change drastically for us to find out
The Walking Dead
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cool so we just have to disagree.
and hopefully the world will never change drastically for us to find out
Fair enough.
cool so we just have to disagree.
and hopefully the world will never change drastically for us to find out
Of course one can talk big now but in the heat of the moment who knows who is willing to sacrifice their morals and who is not.
If this world happened and I had my girls I would probably be much quicker to be the aggressor and take any threat out. Still know what my morals were and what is right and wrong. That wouldn't change.
addictionary
Well-Known Member
Moral values generally stand weak against basic instincts and needs, when their satisfaction is on stake. We live in a world, let's say even in the US (as Dutch's civilized society example), two women can beat the crap out of each other to buy a dress they desire, to take it away from the other, to satisfy the ego. Ego is an extremely personal aspect of mind, but id is the most basic. Now in Walking Dead's universe, id (basic instincts) would be much more in front and motivate us to perceive the world as a much more cruel place that no hope for social values is left to stick up to.
In sum, even your own family could sell you out if the issue is their own lives. Or maybe they wouldn't. You never know.
In sum, even your own family could sell you out if the issue is their own lives. Or maybe they wouldn't. You never know.
DutchJazzer
Banned
also one thing of note their is no government/police force.
so to save lives you might have to kill/murder people.
if someone keeps breaking into your home(atleast here in the netherlands) you cannot harm him, you are not allowed to harm him.
even he he keeps doing it.
but in other countries you can make a citizens arrest(with some force allowed) and wait for the cops.
in other coutnreis state you can shoot him on the spot.
one might argue the best moral value is to "capture" the burglar and hand him over to the police. than it is probably solved.
with no police force. do you kill him/ keep him imprisoned. what do you do.
thats why i think killing that one guy is the right thing to do in walkingdead situation. and by right thing i mean for the greater good of the group.
destroy one live save a bunch(dont remember how big/small the group was back then)
and if by some miracle society resotres. they should not feel sorry they broke the mroal code of normal society
so to save lives you might have to kill/murder people.
if someone keeps breaking into your home(atleast here in the netherlands) you cannot harm him, you are not allowed to harm him.
even he he keeps doing it.
but in other countries you can make a citizens arrest(with some force allowed) and wait for the cops.
in other coutnreis state you can shoot him on the spot.
one might argue the best moral value is to "capture" the burglar and hand him over to the police. than it is probably solved.
with no police force. do you kill him/ keep him imprisoned. what do you do.
thats why i think killing that one guy is the right thing to do in walkingdead situation. and by right thing i mean for the greater good of the group.
destroy one live save a bunch(dont remember how big/small the group was back then)
and if by some miracle society resotres. they should not feel sorry they broke the mroal code of normal society
The problem is when is the appropriate time to kill someone and when is not. They do not need to kill everyone that might be a threat. If that is the case then you become the threat.
HeavenHarris
Banned
how do the pet zombies work? like when andrea cut off that one zombie bros teeth and arms, how come it wards off other zombies and she can safely walk through a **** ton of them. it kinda made sense when rick and glenn covered themselves in zombie guts to walk through them so i guess its that kind of concept, but eh doesnt really make sense
Not looking good. Andrea still looks torn, but it doesn't look like it was her. Get that sig ready.
You said the chick driving the zombie truck was her. I said it was not. Her sense of attachment to Team Prison strengthens that it was not her driving the truck. We did not bet on what team she would end up on.
You get the sig ready.
Slow down, big guy. I'm saying I'm pretty sure I'm wrong and it wasn't Andrea. Relax.
The Fresh Prince
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You've got to be kidding.... You're going to really go see that piece of trash film?
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
Tinsley, Foye and Marvin have really been bad lately.
Oh wait, you mean "The Walking Dead" isn't about the Jazz?
Oh wait, you mean "The Walking Dead" isn't about the Jazz?
Why does everyone assume that because you post on a message board that you are automatically emotional about it?
I dont need to relax because I am not working up. True story. I guess I misunderstood your post as you telling me to get my sig ready since you were right and Andrea would side with the governor. Simple mistake.
I will see what I want to see and am not concerned with others views on it. To each their own man. We all have our quirks and tastes.
DutchJazzer
Banned
FIXED LIKE A BAWS
btw i bet you a team of 5 walkers would play better defense than 5 al jeffersons.
back on topic HH about he guardian angel thing(a zombie pet).
as they explained in the tv show:
just pulled up the episode. gonna qoute the relvant parts
from the scene where they where on the roof and rick wanted to go to the truck
Rick: they're drawn by sound, right?
Glen: Right, Like dogs. They hear a sound, the come.
Rick: what else? Aside from they hear you?
some random dude from season 1 forgot his name: They see you, smell you and if they catch you, they eat you.(think he is wrong on the literally seeing you part)
Rick: They can tell us by smell?
Glenn: Can't you?
Andrea: they smell dead we don't it is pretty distinct.
now in the comic they explained the above passage if i'm not mistaken by saying and i pharphrase here: that if the walker hears a sound they try to smell. if they smell a DISTINCT dead odor. they know false alarm it's a colleague. and move on.
now you might say but what if 1 or more zombies are eating. i assume a zombie eating is a distinct sound and they know that sound from instinct and join in on the eating.
now what a guardian angel does is give your sound a distinct dead smell, and since they are not making the feeding sound/ so whenever other walkers here you walking they smell the dead sound.
here is the tricky part on why some walkers attack if they are really close to the sounds your making they "smell" a non dead odor comming from the place where the sound is then your screwed
in other words in when densely populated by walkers eg in Atlanta better go with a guts suit.
but in a sparsely populated area like forest/farms. you go with "guardian angel".
it seems the virus might have heightened the smell and hearing of walkers.
you might be to stupid to understand this HH, you where to stooopid to grasp the bite virus thingy(hershel leg being cut of). but hope this explanation suffices. or gets you imagination speculation running
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DutchJazzer
Banned
i will see iton home video not really a fan of going to cinema. since it is pretty expensive
tickets for 2, popcorn, coke, parking money, not counting gas runs me up to 35 euros.
for a frikcin movie
then i go into die hard.
and get crap like out of focus cinema,
shaky cams
lens flare
camera cant even find the cars in car chase sequence.
bruce willis mailing it in and repeating his vacation line 5 times.
so yeah i officially gave up on cinema.
only going to chris nolan, quentin t movies now.
and if the hobbit part 1 is to my liking maybe part 2 and 3.
Actually I'd have to rephrase it. Murder is the unlawful killing of another this is done with malice. In this instance, well, I guess there are no laws so there is no such thing as an unlawful killing. But regardless of the legal structure in place, killing anyone that isn't for self defense is immoral, and I don't care what time period it was. Legality doesn't make morals. War rapes are very common and were encouraged by many governments, yet the raping of civilians was totally immoral, though "legal" in a sense.
In this case I think the group was trying to make the self defense justification when they voted to execute the kid, but it was a lousy justification, and thus immoral. Plus part of what also bugs me about this group is that they just refuse to bring in newcomers, and now it's biting them in the ***, which is poetic justice.
I agree with all of this.
My issue is that the Prison group are painted as protagonists while the Woodbury group are painted as antagonists, when to me they are both groups of immoral people trying to survive (looking at it from a good light) or to me selfish jackasses that are going to doom humanity by not banding together (looking at it from a bad light). The Governor guy and the older brother with the blade from the hand are the two most evil people, and each side has one of them. Damn near all of them are seriously morally flawed (at least how it's being written).