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Cy said:
I really hope the show doesnt go back to sucking now. I think the most interesting thing was the whole distrust between Rick and Alexandria and the whole idea of tyrant/murder Rick taking over. Now I think it has danger of going back to season 3: "We live in a community now we are being attacked by evil bad guys".
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Really if you think about it they have pretty much come full circle. I mean there are only so many ways any given scenario can play out. They've done the whole infighting thing. Community attacked by bad guys? Check. Fake "good" community turned out to be bad? Check. Cannibals? Check. Brigands? Check. Naive community brought back to the real world? Check. So in some way they are doomed to start repeating themselves.
 
Wow, cool finale. Lots going on. Very poetic with Rick doing the execution at the end at Deanna's request. I'm happy that they didn't do a total BS cliffhanger like last season... just a fairly small one. It actually felt quite conclusive all-around.

My worry is the same as Cy's. Black-and-white, good vs. evil is uninteresting. The whole Governor storyline was boring as crap; I hope they don't do anything quite that ham-fisted again. Here's hoping the writers keep it interesting for next season.
 
glenn is still alive. I heard a rumor that they were gonna kill him this season. I hope they stop killing main characters
 
LogGrad98 said:
Really if you think about it they have pretty much come full circle. I mean there are only so many ways any given scenario can play out. They've done the whole infighting thing. Community attacked by bad guys? Check. Fake "good" community turned out to be bad? Check. Cannibals? Check. Brigands? Check. Naive community brought back to the real world? Check. So in some way they are doomed to start repeating themselves.
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The main story is not that they have come full circle it is that Rick and his group became Shane. They have embraced his world view and method of doing things. Season 2 or 3 Rick would never have jsut shot that guy. Season 2 and 3 actors would have been right at home in oblivious Alexandria.

So same situation but completely different methods and views.
 
Stoked said:
The main story is not that they have come full circle it is that Rick and his group became Shane.
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That's a very interesting insight. Not something I even thought about in regards to past characters and their own style of living.
 
VINYLONE said:
That's a very interesting insight. Not something I even thought about in regards to past characters and their own style of living.
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There are hold outs in the group but for the most part they did.

Biggest examples of this are Rick and Carol. But all of them have gotten more violent and brutal.

Put season 5 Rick and Carol back on the Greene farm in season 2 and him and Shane kick in the front door and point guns at the family and tell them to fall in line or die. Carol hides in the wings and silently kills and threatens any dissenters.
 
dong2ha said:
glenn is still alive. I heard a rumor that they were gonna kill him this season. I hope they stop killing main characters
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While I'm glad he's still alive as I like his character, If they stopped killing main character's the show would get far too predictable and boring.
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This season has been great, started out very slow but the final 3-4 episodes fully pulled me back in. Hopefully it stays that way next season.
 
I don't like the suggestion that Rick has become Shane.

Shane somewhat unnecessarily injured a guy he was with so that the walkers would go after him instead of Shane. It was murder. Rick still isn't doing stuff like that and I don't think he's going to start.
 
Gameface said:
I don't like the suggestion that Rick has become Shane.

Shane somewhat unnecessarily injured a guy he was with so that the walkers would go after him instead of Shane. It was murder. Rick still isn't doing stuff like that and I don't think he's going to start.
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Rick has already said that they will take and do what they need to in order to survive. That is exactly like Shane. Shane did it for him self, Lori and Carl. Rick simply has a wider group that he will do it for (his group and all the Alexandrians now)
 
Stoked said:
Rick has already said that they will take and do what they need to in order to survive. That is exactly like Shane. Shane did it for him self, Lori and Carl. Rick simply has a wider group that he will do it for (his group and all the Alexandrians now)
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I disagree with this. Shane went out of his way to set up Rick to murder him for his own personal gain. All that Rick does is for the good of his "family". While Rick has become more dangerous as the show has gone along the basic premise that he is doing it for the good of his group has not changed. It was not that way with Shane.
 
gregbroncs said:
I disagree with this. Shane went out of his way to set up Rick to murder him for his own personal gain. All that Rick does is for the good of his "family". While Rick has become more dangerous as the show has gone along the basic premise that he is doing it for the good of his group has not changed. It was not that way with Shane.
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Exactly. Shane saw Rick as a rival for Lori. Shane would have killed any one of them for his own, sometimes trivial, benefit. Rick has always acted in a way that he felt was best for his group. He also tries to keep his group on some sort of moral path, although his morals have changed. His group isn't out hunting down other humans and destroying other groups who meant him no harm.

In Alexandria he sees the value of that place. He doesn't want to destroy it and he doesn't want to simply steal it but he isn't willing to let it be destroyed or taken away just because the current residents aren't capable of defending it. That's much different than just getting in and planning to take out the current residents just because he wants to rule it.
 
gregbroncs said:
I disagree with this. Shane went out of his way to set up Rick to murder him for his own personal gain. All that Rick does is for the good of his "family". While Rick has become more dangerous as the show has gone along the basic premise that he is doing it for the good of his group has not changed. It was not that way with Shane.
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Their motivations may be different but it is leading them to the same place.

Again Shane was concerned about himself, lori and Carl and would do anything for those three people.

Rick is concerned about his group and will do anything for them.

Does the road really matter if you get to the same place of killing anyone that looks like a threat?

Edit: I wonder how soon it is before Rick kills for personal gain. He was about to do it to Pete before he was stopped.
 
Gameface said:
Exactly. Shane saw Rick as a rival for Lori. Shane would have killed any one of them for his own, sometimes trivial, benefit. Rick has always acted in a way that he felt was best for his group. He also tries to keep his group on some sort of moral path, although his morals have changed. His group isn't out hunting down other humans and destroying other groups who meant him no harm.

In Alexandria he sees the value of that place. He doesn't want to destroy it and he doesn't want to simply steal it but he isn't willing to let it be destroyed or taken away just because the current residents aren't capable of defending it. That's much different than just getting in and planning to take out the current residents just because he wants to rule it.
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I was on the Rick = Shane bandwagon. But after finally seeing the last episode this season, I can't disagree with this. The line "'How many of you do I have to kill to save your lives?" says it all.
 
Rick wanted to get in that girl pants just like Shane wanted to get Lori's pants. That is the main motivation.
 
Gameface said:
Exactly. Shane saw Rick as a rival for Lori. Shane would have killed any one of them for his own, sometimes trivial, benefit. Rick has always acted in a way that he felt was best for his group. He also tries to keep his group on some sort of moral path, although his morals have changed. His group isn't out hunting down other humans and destroying other groups who meant him no harm.

In Alexandria he sees the value of that place. He doesn't want to destroy it and he doesn't want to simply steal it but he isn't willing to let it be destroyed or taken away just because the current residents aren't capable of defending it. That's much different than just getting in and planning to take out the current residents just because he wants to rule it.
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I agree with GF in terms of the rick vs shane debate.

But the last part here highlights what I was trying to get at. Now there is another group to defend. And now they're is another (possibly group of) psychotic killers out there. Every season is really becoming a rehash. Defend the castle from the psycho(s). Get into fight in our own group. Oh shane is bad. But wait the governor is worse. Of but the cannibals are worse still.

So who is the new governor next season? Alexandria is obviously the new prison. In the end it's always the same story. And of course somewhere there is a fresh zombie machine since by now all of the zombies would be decayed to nothing in this amount of time.

I'm starting to lose interest a bit. It helped that they didn't throw their own trope at us this season and summarily execute a main group member (I consider Noah to be ancillary to the main group, especially in keeping with the painfully obvious cliche that the black guy had to die.... They might as well have them wear red shirts). But the fact that they didn't go straight to Glenn going out when it is what we have been conditioned to expect tells me their may be some hope for more original directions to take the show. Other than just.... New community? Check. Badder bad guy? Check. Internal strife and/or budding romance? Check. New disposable characters? Check. Community falls apart? Remains to be seen.... That's the change.

But I do like the character changes they have had so far. Imo a story in which the characters don't change or grow is in the end a weak story. This season was the best yet for real character development, real change in several of our key people. And that, too me, makes for good stories, whether in books or on TV.
 
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