What's new
By:

There is no Tank

green said:
We have talked about this before, but the Colts and Arizona are the perfect example of tanking. Both the Colts and Cards were tied record wise going into the last game of the season. The Colts packed it in, the Cards went out and played their hearts out and won.

The Colts got Peyton Manning
The Cards got Andre Wadsworth

Then, Payton got hurt. The Colts looked at a draft that had Luck in it. Suck for Luck was born.

Because the Colts decided to tank, the got one of the top 5 all time QB's, a Super Bowl, deep post season runs, etc. Then they tanked again, and got a QB that took them from 2 wins to double digit wins.

If you think tanking is a bad thing, or dishonest, or frowned upon in professional sports...you are kidding yourself.

You could add SA in this example. And Boston. Those two teams tanked and won titles because of it. If the Jazz were trying to win games this year, they would not have let Millsap go. They would not have traded for Biedrens and Jefferson. They wouldn't have let Al walk for nothing. They would not have kept Ty. The Jazz have set themselves up to lose.

I would HATE to hit the point where we are three weeks before the end of the year, have the fifth worst record, and then win 8 of our last 10. That would just be stupid. If we are in the bottom five record wise with a month to go, I want full on tank. I want players sitting out. I want them in suits joking in the third row.

I'd rather have Peyton than Leaf or Wadsworth. Smart teams tank. It's the nature of the beast. It is the ONLY way a small market team can be successful. Heck, even the Phillies tanked this year. They ended up with the 7th pick and if they sign a tendered player, they won't lose a draft pick. That is huge. The system is set up that if you are a small market team, you can only realistically build through the draft. To build through the draft, you have to lose. It's pretty simple.
Click to expand...

The Colts should have to pay for every ticket sold for any game they tanked and refund a portion of all advertising revenue. If it was worth that much to them then let them tank, otherwise they stole from people, plain and simple.
 
green said:
We have talked about this before, but the Colts and Arizona are the perfect example of tanking. Both the Colts and Cards were tied record wise going into the last game of the season. The Colts packed it in, the Cards went out and played their hearts out and won.

The Colts got Peyton Manning
The Cards got Andre Wadsworth

Then, Payton got hurt. The Colts looked at a draft that had Luck in it. Suck for Luck was born.

Because the Colts decided to tank, the got one of the top 5 all time QB's, a Super Bowl, deep post season runs, etc. Then they tanked again, and got a QB that took them from 2 wins to double digit wins.

If you think tanking is a bad thing, or dishonest, or frowned upon in professional sports...you are kidding yourself.

You could add SA in this example. And Boston. Those two teams tanked and won titles because of it. If the Jazz were trying to win games this year, they would not have let Millsap go. They would not have traded for Biedrens and Jefferson. They wouldn't have let Al walk for nothing. They would not have kept Ty. The Jazz have set themselves up to lose.

I would HATE to hit the point where we are three weeks before the end of the year, have the fifth worst record, and then win 8 of our last 10. That would just be stupid. If we are in the bottom five record wise with a month to go, I want full on tank. I want players sitting out. I want them in suits joking in the third row.

I'd rather have Peyton than Leaf or Wadsworth. Smart teams tank. It's the nature of the beast. It is the ONLY way a small market team can be successful. Heck, even the Phillies tanked this year. They ended up with the 7th pick and if they sign a tendered player, they won't lose a draft pick. That is huge. The system is set up that if you are a small market team, you can only realistically build through the draft. To build through the draft, you have to lose. It's pretty simple.
Click to expand...

Yes we have and you are still wrong.
 
Gameface said:
The Colts should have to pay for every ticket sold for any game they tanked and refund a portion of all advertising revenue. If it was worth that much to them then let them tank, otherwise they stole from people, plain and simple.
Click to expand...

The problem with this GF is that most colts fans are happy that they got manning, and happy that they got luck.
So the colts probably did exactly what their fans wanted them to do.

Im sure there are a few fans that feel like stoked does and were pissed about the tanks, but even those fans are probably pretty happy with the way things turned out.
 
green said:
We have talked about this before, but the Colts and Arizona are the perfect example of tanking. Both the Colts and Cards were tied record wise going into the last game of the season. The Colts packed it in, the Cards went out and played their hearts out and won.

The Colts got Peyton Manning
The Cards got Andre Wadsworth

Then, Payton got hurt. The Colts looked at a draft that had Luck in it. Suck for Luck was born.

Because the Colts decided to tank, the got one of the top 5 all time QB's, a Super Bowl, deep post season runs, etc. Then they tanked again, and got a QB that took them from 2 wins to double digit wins.

If you think tanking is a bad thing, or dishonest, or frowned upon in professional sports...you are kidding yourself.

You could add SA in this example. And Boston. Those two teams tanked and won titles because of it. If the Jazz were trying to win games this year, they would not have let Millsap go. They would not have traded for Biedrens and Jefferson. They wouldn't have let Al walk for nothing. They would not have kept Ty. The Jazz have set themselves up to lose.

I would HATE to hit the point where we are three weeks before the end of the year, have the fifth worst record, and then win 8 of our last 10. That would just be stupid. If we are in the bottom five record wise with a month to go, I want full on tank. I want players sitting out. I want them in suits joking in the third row.

I'd rather have Peyton than Leaf or Wadsworth. Smart teams tank. It's the nature of the beast. It is the ONLY way a small market team can be successful. Heck, even the Phillies tanked this year. They ended up with the 7th pick and if they sign a tendered player, they won't lose a draft pick. That is huge. The system is set up that if you are a small market team, you can only realistically build through the draft. To build through the draft, you have to lose. It's pretty simple.
Click to expand...

Great post green..... Im with ya on this issue.

@stoked, I also understand your position and don't hate on the way you feel about tanking
 
fishonjazz said:
Great post green..... Im with ya on this issue.

@stoked, I also understand your position and don't hate on the way you feel about tanking
Click to expand...

Fair enough. If the Jazz go 12-70 I will cheer wildly as long as they play their butts off. All I ask is that the Jazz play hard and coach hard.
 
I hate when people talk about teams that had successful tanking but ignore the disgusting loser teams that have been tanking chronically without any success whatsoever.

Plus, lots of people here in this thread and in many other threads before tried to tell the difference between a honest rebuilding and the tanking but people still believe in tanking and brag about it. Hell, we are even kidding ourselves when we think tanking is a bad thing!

**** tanking!
 
fishonjazz said:
The problem with this GF is that most colts fans are happy that they got manning, and happy that they got luck.
So the colts probably did exactly what their fans wanted them to do.

Im sure there are a few fans that feel like stoked does and were pissed about the tanks, but even those fans are probably pretty happy with the way things turned out.
Click to expand...

To me it's a problem with the system. If there's a way to game the draft system then people are going to exploit it. It's just too tempting. I don't have a solution but I would love to see one implemented in all pro sports.

I really do feel that in pro sports, with everything that's on the line and legal sports betting in some places, there should be legal consequences for throwing games.
 
Time to drop the tank talk
TTDYD-2.jpg

full_size.jpg
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page
Back
Top