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They killed my son because he's black (Saratoga Springs)

JAZZGASM said:
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A blazing sword is far superior to a megazord.
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The Sword of Truth would melt all those swords with just a glance and then inject them into its eyeballs for fun.
 
reignman40 said:
Congrats you just answered your own question. They are trained to shoot and stop (kill) someone. In this case maybe they could have used a taser before it got out of hand?
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Serious question for those in the know (if there are actually any that know): Do cops carry both a taser and a normal gun? I don't make it a habit of staring at cops' guns, but the ones I notice have either a taser or a real gun, but I've never seen one with both. Are there any active posters that are cops? I know Boondocksaint is a cop, but he doesn't post much.

The reason I bring this up is because a lot of people mention the whole taser thing. But if the officers didn't have a taser, that's a moot point.
 
Even if the cop had a taser I'm still not sure it would have been the weapon of choice. My understanding is they are not very accurate past 15 to 20 feet. I'm inclined to not second guess their decision until we have more information.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Even if the cop had a taser I'm still not sure it would have been the weapon of choice. My understanding is they are not very accurate past 15 to 20 feet. I'm inclined to not second guess their decision until we have more information.
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Whatever, racist.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Even if the cop had a taser I'm still not sure it would have been the weapon of choice. My understanding is they are not very accurate past 15 to 20 feet. I'm inclined to not second guess their decision until we have more information.
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It's people like you who can't resist their inclinations that are taking this nation to hell in a handbasket.
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911 call released to the media Deseret News VS Salt Lake Tribune

He tells the 911 dispatcher that there's a man in a red shirt walking along Redwood Road near the Wal-Mart. The caller did not indicate that the man was threatening anyone.

"But he was carrying a samurai sword," the caller told the dispatcher.
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In a recording released Thursday by Utah Valley Dispatch, the caller can be heard reporting that a man was on Redwood Road "walking towards kinda the Walmart area" about 9:30 a.m. Sept. 10.

The caller calmly describes the man as "darker-skinned," with a red shirt and an Afro hairstyle pulled back in a bun.

"But he was carrying a samurai sword," the caller reports.
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Is the description of him wearing a red shirt more relevant at this point than his Afro hairstyle? Why obfuscate the callers description of him?
 
heyhey said:
Is the description of him wearing a red shirt more relevant at this point than his Afro hairstyle? Why obfuscate the callers description of him?
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The callers "initial" description of the guy on the 911 call only mentions a red shirt...the other details about him came from questions from the dispatcher, so it looks like the tribune is the one being deceptive.
 
PearlWatson said:
The callers "initial" description of the guy on the 911 call only mentions a red shirt...the other details about him came from questions from the dispatcher, so it looks like the tribune is the one being deceptive.
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The media? Resorting to sensationalism? To sell ad space on their ****ty website?


Never!
 
Sorry, but could somebody please explain to me why the dispatcher didn't chuckle and then tell this person to get the hell off the line?

Since when is carrying a sword worthy of a 911 call? This is right up there with Jay Leno's playing of stupid phone calls. One guy called the police because some birds were crapping on his car.

"Is the guy threatening anyone? No? Ok, hang up and never call us back unless you're facing a real emergency. Good day citizen."
 
franklin said:
For those outside the state who wouldn't have seen reports of police affidavits that just came out:

https://www.sltrib.com/news/1758399-155/hunt-sword-affidavit-schauerhamer-officer-officers
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I don't know how to take all of that. The witness accounts apparently corroborate the police officers' accounts. The spin that the lawyer is trying to put on this is kind of interesting.

"You can’t use deadly force on a fleeing suspect unless there is an immediate risk of harm — serious bodily harm or death to police or others nearby," Sykes said at a Tuesday news conference. "He’s running from the police. They can’t have been in any legitimate fear that he was going to harm them. They chased him and had an old-fashioned shootout on an innocent boy who had probably done nothing."
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vs. the account from the police officer's point of view.

Dell’Ergo wrote that once Hunt was told he could not have the sword in the patrol car, he unsheathed the sword and "moved toward Corporal Schauerhamer, swinging it."

At that point, Schauerhamer drew his weapon and fired at Hunt, according to the affidavit — setting off a foot chase that would ultimately end in Hunt being hit six times by the two officers’ bullets.

But Schauerhamer told investigators that he fired at Hunt as he ran away because he felt he needed to stop the sword-carrying man before he reached the parking lot of a Wal-Mart.
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So on the one hand you have a guy with sword, being aggressive with it and running toward an area with far more people, and no way the officer could now if it were a real sword or not (for the record, my son bought a katana display set that is not a "real" katana, but it still has a sharp enough edge and point that wielded with some force it could hurt someone pretty badly or even kill). So does the officer have a duty to prevent this distraught individual from reaching innocent bystanders? Or is the lawyer right that the cops should have not shot him as their own lives were not directly threatened since the man was running away from them and run the risk of him turning and corner and cutting someone down that might be in his way?
 
LogGrad98 said:
I don't know how to take all of that. The witness accounts apparently corroborate the police officers' accounts. The spin that the lawyer is trying to put on this is kind of interesting.



vs. the account from the police officer's point of view.



So on the one hand you have a guy with sword, being aggressive with it and running toward an area with far more people, and no way the officer could now if it were a real sword or not (for the record, my son bought a katana display set that is not a "real" katana, but it still has a sharp enough edge and point that wielded with some force it could hurt someone pretty badly or even kill). So does the officer have a duty to prevent this distraught individual from reaching innocent bystanders? Or is the lawyer right that the cops should have not shot him as their own lives were not directly threatened since the man was running away from them and run the risk of him turning and corner and cutting someone down that might be in his way?
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The lawyer is just doing his job even if he sounds like an idiot. I don't see much of a difference between shooting a guy in the back who just shot at you and missed and the police account of what this kid did by swinging a sword.

WTS, I think it's kinda dickish that a citizen doesn't have this same latitude, although that old guy who just shot the chick in the alley running away from his house makes it seem like it's not so black and white in the eyes of the law.
 
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