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Thinking about a 4k tv

Cy said:
Lol at early adopters.
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That's the only relevant point. Do you want to buy one now (I did) and be an early adopter, or wait 2 or 3 years and get one for half the price and enjoy more content?
 
Siro said:
Faith got nothing to do with it. I've worked in the semiconductors industry long enough to understand how these things work. Right now, existing processes are close to achieving price parity for 4k v. 1080p displays. Since no extensive retooling is necessary for the transition, fabs will have to go out of their way to produce 1080p displays in a couple of years, which won't make sense when the competition is producing 4k displays for the same price. Keep in mind that 4k is not only 4 times the resolution of 1080s, which makes them look MUCH better on larger TVs, but they also are superior in many other technical aspects, like quality of 3d for those who are into that.

And what Log is saying about $7000 is not entirely true. I'm sure you can find 4k TVs that go for that much, just like you can find 1080p TVs that sell for outrageous prices, but like have been mentioned in this thread, 70" TV will set you back $2500 while 50" go for $1000. So they're already close to 1080p prices. Since 4k cameras are also becoming widespread, available content will continue to expand in the next few years.

But either way, it's not like I own stock in any of these companies. If you think you know better, then continue to think that. I thought I'd give an opinion from a position of knowledge in response to OP question, but it makes no difference to me, really.
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#rekt
 
Siro said:
That's the only relevant point. Do you want to buy one now (I did) and be an early adopter, or wait 2 or 3 years and get one for half the price and enjoy more content?
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The 36" tv (don't be jealous) I currently own is almost 10 years old (so it's not like I'm into buying new stuff all the time) and has all of 1 hdmi port. I just don't want to drop some money on an hd tv now and then have to turn around in 2 or 3 years and buy another tv that has 4k. Maybe that is the best option though since I will be a millionaire in the next couple of months (c'mon Idaho lottery!).
 
Surely said:
Has anyone here bought a 4k (aka uhd) tv? I'm looking at a couple right now but thought I'd see if anyone had some input. The biggest downfall I'm seeing so far is the lack of content, but Directv has said they will be broadcasting in 4k before 2016. I think it would be awesome to watch a game (football or basketball) in 4k and can't wait. The other thing I'm wondering is timing. Is now a good time to buy? Should I wait until after Christmas? For the record, I refuse to do the Black Friday thing, so you won't catch me sitting outside a store at 2:00 am hoping to get 1 of the 2 sets they have available. Any input would be greatly appreciated.
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Unless you have better than 20/20 vision or plan on sitting less than 5 feet away from it than it is a waste of money. Most people do not have good enough vision to be able to tell the difference between 4k and 1080 p at typical viewing distances. 4k really is only useful for handheld devices, laptops, and screens over 10 feet wide(projectors). Most people can't even tell the difference between 720 and 1080. When you bought your last TV how many people asked you if it was 1080p? I wouldn't waste mt money if I were you.


Siro said:
There is no comparison between the gimmick that is 3d and 4k which is obviously the future of HD content. If you actually watch 4k content (like some Netflix offerings), it is a vastly better picture than you'd get with 1080p. It is something you just have to see for yourself.
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It isn't the future for living room TVs,imo.
 
I am a fan of the Samsung flat series 4K tvs. The upconversion of blu rays, video games, 3d, and some online content looks great. Not all content is created equally, but on larger TVs it is noticeable. The motion and refresh rates tend to be superior too for sports and action scenes. Costco prices are not too bad on them too unless you go all the way up to the 75 inch model. You pay a little extra but they really do look good and should help with future proofing.
 
heyhey said:
Unless you have better than 20/20 vision or plan on sitting less than 5 feet away from it than it is a waste of money. Most people do not have good enough vision to be able to tell the difference between 4k and 1080 p at typical viewing distances. 4k really is only useful for handheld devices, laptops, and screens over 10 feet wide(projectors). Most people can't even tell the difference between 720 and 1080. When you bought your last TV how many people asked you if it was 1080p? I wouldn't waste mt money if I were you.




It isn't the future for living room TVs,imo.
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While it is true that the eye cannot distinguish individual pixels on 1080p from farther away than like 4 feet, there is a lot more to picture quality. I don't want to go into the details of how the brain processes moving images because it is not my area, and it would require too much time and effort. But go into a place that sells 4k TVs, and compare them to 1080p. It's a huge difference, even from 15+ feet away. Anyone can go in and see for themselves.

As for the future of TVs, I'm no oracle, but I do think it is very very likely that they are the future of TV, since the industry is moving in that direction, and you have to buy TVs from TV manufacturers.
 
Siro said:
While it is true that the eye cannot distinguish individual pixels on 1080p from farther away than like 4 feet, there is a lot more to picture quality. I don't want to go into the details of how the brain processes moving images because it is not my area, and it would require too much time and effort. But go into a place that sells 4k TVs, and compare them to 1080p. It's a huge difference, even from 15+ feet away. Anyone can go in and see for themselves.

As for the future of TVs, I'm no oracle, but I do think it is very very likely that they are the future of TV, since the industry is moving in that direction, and you have to buy TVs from TV manufacturers.
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If you can see the difference at 15 feet you either have fantastic vision or are deluding yourself. By the way 4k is worse with movement than 1080p.

What About 4K?
Ultra high-definition television (UHD, or 4K) is still in its early stages, and while you can purchase a 4K HDTV you'll still have some problems getting any appreciable amount of media for it. The HDMI 2.0 standard has only just made 60 fps 4K video a consistent possibility for certain devices, and so much processing is already being used on simply displaying the much higher 3,840-by-2,160 resolution that interpolation and adding frames to make the action smoother hasn't been a major priority for HDTV manufacturers yet. Basically, if you want a 4K screen, don't expect it to break 60Hz for a while.
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https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2379206,00.asp
 
heyhey said:
If you can see the difference at 15 feet you either have fantastic vision or are deluding yourself. By the way 4k is worse with movement than 1080p.



https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2379206,00.asp
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That's an interesting point about refresh rates. But as far as picture quality, I'm not going to argue with you, but I do implore you to go and see it for yourself instead of reading up on it. Just go into a place that sells TV, and look at them from 20 feet away. Get back with me if you ever do that, I'd be very interested to hear what you have to say. I would be positively shocked if you don't spot the beautiful, sharp picture of 4k immediately.

The other day I was at Costco with a woman who did not know that 4k TVs even existed. As we walked past the TV section, she pointed to a 4k TV and said "look at that TV! It looks amazing". And we were at least 10 feet away. I have yet to meet someone who actually saw them in action, and did not notice a difference.

4K TVs aren't just about more resolution

The Ultra HD revolution isn't just about quadrupling resolution, it also supports faster frame rates, insane contrast dynamics and extended colours. According to research by the EBU and the BBC, viewers are equally receptive to high native frame rates (up to 100Hz), because images are perceived to be more naturalistic and detailed.
And unlike the resolution boost, high frame rate (HFR) UHD is appreciable from a variety of viewing distances and on different screen sizes. Indeed, it's HFR which will ultimately make 4K UHD the smart choice on screens smaller than 50-inches.
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https://www.techradar.com/us/news/t...next-tv-has-to-be-an-ultra-hd-4k-tv-1194486/1

But again, I don't want to argue technical details. I'd like for you to take a look at them, and make that judgement for yourself.
 
Siro said:
That's an interesting point about refresh rates. But as far as picture quality, I'm not going to argue with you, but I do implore you to go and see it for yourself instead of reading up on it. Just go into a place that sells TV, and look at them from 20 feet away. Get back with me if you ever do that, I'd be very interested to hear what you have to say. I would be positively shocked if you don't spot the beautiful, sharp picture of 4k immediately.

The other day I was at Costco with a woman who did not know that 4k TVs even existed. As we walked past the TV section, she pointed to a 4k TV and said "look at that TV! It looks amazing". And we were at least 10 feet away. I have yet to meet someone who actually saw them in action, and did not notice a difference.



https://www.techradar.com/us/news/t...next-tv-has-to-be-an-ultra-hd-4k-tv-1194486/1

But again, I don't want to argue technical details. I'd like for you to take a look at them, and make that judgement for yourself.
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lol

I've seen them. We were actually just out looking at TVs a couple months ago. Our Washer took a **** on us so we had to get a new one. RC willey had a 6months no interest deal so we went there. We were approved for $2,500 in credit so we figured we might as well browse. Here is their selection LINK I wasn't impressed.

Ps I had my eyes checked a few years ago and was told I have 10/20 in one eye and 12/20 in the other. From 10 feet I couldn't make out a difference in resolution.
 
heyhey said:
lol

I've seen them. We were actually just out looking at TVs a couple months ago. Our Washer took a **** on us so we had to get a new one. RC willey had a 6months no interest deal so we went there. We were approved for $2,500 in credit so we figured we might as well browse. Here is their selection LINK I wasn't impressed.

Ps I had my eyes checked a few years ago and was told I have 10/20 in one eye and 12/20 in the other. From 10 feet I couldn't make out a difference in resolution.
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That's that then. For me, the picture on Vizio's cheap 4k TVs is notably superior to 1080p TVs in the same price range. I made the decision to purchase the TV based on that fact (my 12 year old TV was starting to act out anyway).

Like I said, there is no point in debating whether they are noticeably better or not, because people can check them out and make that judgement for themselves.
 
Watching movies on my 1440 140 hz 30 inch gaming monitor is freaking awesome.
 
Siro said:
That's an interesting point about refresh rates. But as far as picture quality, I'm not going to argue with you, but I do implore you to go and see it for yourself instead of reading up on it. Just go into a place that sells TV, and look at them from 20 feet away. Get back with me if you ever do that, I'd be very interested to hear what you have to say. I would be positively shocked if you don't spot the beautiful, sharp picture of 4k immediately.

The other day I was at Costco with a woman who did not know that 4k TVs even existed. As we walked past the TV section, she pointed to a 4k TV and said "look at that TV! It looks amazing". And we were at least 10 feet away. I have yet to meet someone who actually saw them in action, and did not notice a difference.



https://www.techradar.com/us/news/t...next-tv-has-to-be-an-ultra-hd-4k-tv-1194486/1

But again, I don't want to argue technical details. I'd like for you to take a look at them, and make that judgement for yourself.
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I agree with you. When I was looking at then at best buy I could easily tell the difference.
They do have a much better picture quality.

I still won't buy one cause I have a 60 inch Samsung plasma that is enough for me for now
 
Cy said:
Can't wait until 2 years when they get that 8k going.
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This made me chuckle because when we were looking at the tv's in the store my wife asked me how long it would be before they come out with something better than 4k.
 
I still have one of those old big box TVs. Doesn't even have an hdmi plugin thing.

I don't watch much tv.
 
fishonjazz said:
I wish I would have never bought a 3d tv
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Why?

QuinSnydersHair said:
I'm pretty sure you never tell me what to do. Ever.
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Judas priest. Get your own ****ing content, you mouthbreathing hack. What's wrong with you?

Siro said:
That's the only relevant point. Do you want to buy one now (I did) and be an early adopter, or wait 2 or 3 years and get one for half the price and enjoy more content?
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Basically. I think a decent set of ample size can be purchased for less than 1k currently.

Surely said:
The 36" tv (don't be jealous) I currently own is almost 10 years old (so it's not like I'm into buying new stuff all the time) and has all of 1 hdmi port. I just don't want to drop some money on an hd tv now and then have to turn around in 2 or 3 years and buy another tv that has 4k. Maybe that is the best option though since I will be a millionaire in the next couple of months (c'mon Idaho lottery!).
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I'd opt for purchasing a unit under 1k, like a Vizio or something and waiting on the 4k.

fishonjazz said:
I agree with you. When I was looking at then at best buy I could easily tell the difference.
They do have a much better picture quality.

I still won't buy one cause I have a 60 inch Samsung plasma that is enough for me for now
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I have a 46" Samsung LCD and I am perfectly content.
 
Hantlers said:
I still have one of those old big box TVs. Doesn't even have an hdmi plugin thing.

I don't watch much tv.
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I literally just replaced my old 30" tv with a curved screen that I got when I got married almost 15 years ago. And I only did that because the coax input terminal broke. The thing weighed about 75 pounds.
Apparently I'm not invested nearly enough in my tv viewing experience.
 
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