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This article makes*a*LOT of sense!

I must not be one of those people. I don't expect much from rookies. And I have been very satisfied with the progression of our young 4 this season. I wanted more from them early. But frankly only Hayward was really given much opportunity early. They all have things they need to work on. But what young player in the league doesn't?

i'm in your camp as far as not expecting much from rookies... but kanter was a 3rd pick and the bar is set higher there. as for burks, i can go find you the burks ROY thread if you want, or the thread where everybody read into some preseason quotes by corbin as meaning that burks would be the jazz's starting SG. a great majority of jazz nation wanted the jazz to be able to lean heavily on those four from day one, and i'm just pointing out that corbin didn't have that luxury early on.

you're right, though, all four are much better basketball players today.
 
i'm in your camp as far as not expecting much from rookies... but kanter was a 3rd pick and the bar is set higher there. as for burks, i can go find you the burks ROY thread if you want, or the thread where everybody read into some preseason quotes by corbin as meaning that burks would be the jazz's starting SG. a great majority of jazz nation wanted the jazz to be able to lean heavily on those four from day one, and i'm just pointing out that corbin didn't have that luxury early on.

you're right, though, all four are much better basketball players today.
It sounds like we basically agree. I had also not counted on this season for crap. I figured it was a season to grow and learn and that we would not be a good team. To be in the playoff hunt and to have all 4 young guys making contributions is great from my perspective.
 
a team without a clear superstar is on the verge of finishing the year 6 games above .500 despite major injuries and a couple of young guys not progressing as quickly as we had hoped. if you really don't think SOME of the credit for that belongs with corbin, then you're just trying not to like the guy.

It's the vagueness of the "we" here that is causing trouble. In your later explanations the "we" seems to mean jazzfanz (which is obviously full of tards). But the issue is about Corbin and COY considerations, which has virtually nothing to do with jazzfanz and everything to do with what more knowledgeable people were expecting out of the youth.

Favors might not have performed like some would have hoped, but he wasn't given the opportunity.
Everybody under the stars knew Kanter was a project
Hayward was flying under the national radar
Burks' problems were well known

Again, I don't see how any of these 4 progressed less quickly than hoped when the "we" is placed in relation to to COY considerations.
 
It's the vagueness of the "we" here that is causing trouble. In your later explanations the "we" seems to mean jazzfanz (which is obviously full of tards). But the issue is about Corbin and COY considerations, which has virtually nothing to do with jazzfanz and everything to do with what more knowledgeable people were expecting out of the youth.

Favors might not have performed like some would have hoped, but he wasn't given the opportunity.
Everybody under the stars knew Kanter was a project
Hayward was flying under the national radar
Burks' problems were well known

Again, I don't see how any of these 4 progressed less quickly than hoped when the "we" is placed in relation to to COY considerations.

Sorry I have to laugh at that bolded part. While you insist jazzfanz is full of "tards", you obviously place yourself in the "more knowledgable" catagory. Or, if you meant NBA experts, how many of them had us pegged for a playoff spot?
If the Jazz make the playoffs, its funny how the "tards" and homers were the ones who were closer to correct from the start.
Corbin does deserve mention.
 
Sorry I have to laugh at that bolded part. While you insist jazzfanz is full of "tards", you obviously place yourself in the "more knowledgable" catagory. Or, if you meant NBA experts, how many of them had us pegged for a playoff spot?
If the Jazz make the playoffs, its funny how the "tards" and homers were the ones who were closer to correct from the start.
Corbin does deserve mention.

Scorp, don't you dare challenge NAOS. He is so knowledgeable. He correctly predicted Tinsley would be a locker room distraction and would suck. He said we must sign Watson at all cost and start him. Oh, wait............
 
Sorry I have to laugh at that bolded part. While you insist jazzfanz is full of "tards", you obviously place yourself in the "more knowledgable" catagory. Or, if you meant NBA experts, how many of them had us pegged for a playoff spot?
If the Jazz make the playoffs, its funny how the "tards" and homers were the ones who were closer to correct from the start.
Corbin does deserve mention.

I didn't mean to give that impression. So thanks for pointing that out.
BTW, I had them at 36-30 and in the playoffs.
I missed on Tinsley... but so did everybody. I love that dude.
 
The expectations for Favors at the start of the season were a little out of control.

Almost all of us wanted to see a Favors that was improved over last season, yet we did not. He was given a starting position which he quickly relinquished to Sap.

A lot of us also expected Gordon to come out just like he went out last year. He was not great to start the season.

If you can throw those two expectations out the window the progression the players on this team have made are remarkable. This includes vets like Jefferson and especially Harris. Even Bell was shooting like a champ right before he got hurt. The only players on this roster that I can say definitely did not get better are Watson and CJ. A case could easily be made that Tinsley was good all along but keep in mind this guy was not even in the league last year. We are seeing a D-League guy and Tinsley used in major roles and Utah is winning huge, huge games.

Corbin has had his moments of Dur but overall this guy has his players buying in, has done fine developing talent, and is winning when it really counts. Again, Ty won't win but for a 1 1/3 year guy with no offseason he's been tremendous. Ty deserves mention.
 
Great post Brown Notes.

What this season has shown from my view is that our management made the tough decisions last season and they have been justified. Whilst I don't get as much detailed analysis or exposure to NBA as those in the states, I can honestly say that what the Jazz are building now gets my heart pumping more than virtually any other time in my 16 years following the Jazz.

The signs are good, and hopefully we can get this GSW pick as I believe it could be a pivotal piece in making us a serious western threat in the next few years. Either way, Im pumped and ready for the ride, looking forward to shouting my support from over the pacific tomorrow. Im excited. GO JAZZ.
 
The expectations for Favors at the start of the season were a little out of control.

Almost all of us wanted to see a Favors that was improved over last season, yet we did not. He was given a starting position which he quickly relinquished to Sap.

A lot of us also expected Gordon to come out just like he went out last year. He was not great to start the season.

If you can throw those two expectations out the window the progression the players on this team have made are remarkable. This includes vets like Jefferson and especially Harris. Even Bell was shooting like a champ right before he got hurt. The only players on this roster that I can say definitely did not get better are Watson and CJ. A case could easily be made that Tinsley was good all along but keep in mind this guy was not even in the league last year. We are seeing a D-League guy and Tinsley used in major roles and Utah is winning huge, huge games.

Corbin has had his moments of Dur but overall this guy has his players buying in, has done fine developing talent, and is winning when it really counts. Again, Ty won't win but for a 1 1/3 year guy with no offseason he's been tremendous. Ty deserves mention.

this.

and really, now we're belaboring the side-argument... namely, that corbin got more out of his roster than a lesser coach might have. to my view, that's a hard point to argue against without sounding like a blatant anti-corbin person.
 
Great post Brown Notes.

What this season has shown from my view is that our management made the tough decisions last season and they have been justified. Whilst I don't get as much detailed analysis or exposure to NBA as those in the states, I can honestly say that what the Jazz are building now gets my heart pumping more than virtually any other time in my 16 years following the Jazz.

The signs are good, and hopefully we can get this GSW pick as I believe it could be a pivotal piece in making us a serious western threat in the next few years. Either way, Im pumped and ready for the ride, looking forward to shouting my support from over the pacific tomorrow. Im excited. GO JAZZ.

Welcome, 'down under'!! I've been a Jazz fan since Jerry Sloan started coaching in Utah. I'm in Florida, and detest the Miami Heat, and the Magic never seem to quite figure out how to play basketball as a team. I grew up in Melbourne, FLORIDA!!
 
For all you Corbin critics, how quickly did the OKC Thunder develop? They were flat AWFUL early-on; I've lost track of how many lottery picks they got as a reward for their ineptitude. Most Corbin critics also criticize playing vets, so I have to think you'd expect we'd have been even BETTER playing young guys more? In a little over a year, Corbin has us on the verge of being in the playoffs FAR quicker than OKC got there...
 
I think our players realized that Ty is actually a little bit dumb - do not pay attention on his occasional stupid decision, try to leave with that and take care of business on the court.
Corbin is a genius.

Now let's remember that he's human, and humans make mistakes as he has. (as has all coaches)

However, let's remember what his 'young talent' is:

Hayward: Pasty American white player (general opinion, not mine) that the entire arena booed when he was picked who was terrible for the majority of his time player under hall of fame coach Jerry Sloan.

Favors: Obviously talented poster boy for a power forward who despite all of this was crushed in his rookie year to the point where by the time he was traded he was a shadow of a man emotionally and had to gain his confidence back from the ground up.

Burks: Thin, slightly undersized, not strong enough, and played an offence in college that doesn't translate well into the NBA (research it, it's there) But obviously athletically superior to most other draft picks.

Kanter: Solid as a brick, but has only been playing basketball since he was fourteen years old, so he has a ton to learn about the game. On top of this he hasn't played competitively for a couple of years except for his national team and some exhibition games.

My point is that he didn't have Kobe, Jordan, Magic, and Malone on the team. They each had to overcome significant problems with their games, and somehow, magically, they are progressing in their games!

How? It's the whole carrot and the donkey thing. You hook a donkey up to a cart and give a carrot to him immediately they sit there and eat the carrot. However, if you put a carrot in front of them, they walk toards it, pulling the cart. If you give rookies time immediately, they think they are already stars and don't try to improve their game. If you hold the time until they prove they can improve, they will improve to get the time.

It's not rocket science.
 
Corbin is a genius.

Now let's remember that he's human, and humans make mistakes as he has. (as has all coaches)

However, let's remember what his 'young talent' is:

Hayward: Pasty American white player (general opinion, not mine) that the entire arena booed when he was picked who was terrible for the majority of his time player under hall of fame coach Jerry Sloan.

Favors: Obviously talented poster boy for a power forward who despite all of this was crushed in his rookie year to the point where by the time he was traded he was a shadow of a man emotionally and had to gain his confidence back from the ground up.

Burks: Thin, slightly undersized, not strong enough, and played an offence in college that doesn't translate well into the NBA (research it, it's there) But obviously athletically superior to most other draft picks.

Kanter: Solid as a brick, but has only been playing basketball since he was fourteen years old, so he has a ton to learn about the game. On top of this he hasn't played competitively for a couple of years except for his national team and some exhibition games.

My point is that he didn't have Kobe, Jordan, Magic, and Malone on the team. They each had to overcome significant problems with their games, and somehow, magically, they are progressing in their games!

How? It's the whole carrot and the donkey thing. You hook a donkey up to a cart and give a carrot to him immediately they sit there and eat the carrot. However, if you put a carrot in front of them, they walk toards it, pulling the cart. If you give rookies time immediately, they think they are already stars and don't try to improve their game. If you hold the time until they prove they can improve, they will improve to get the time.

It's not rocket science.

You think he is tan?
 
I'm not expecting anybody to remember, but I was one of Corbin's biggest supporters last season and early this season.

The guy deserves some slack because he's basically a rookie coach for a transitioning franchise, but, seriously, there have been some pretty blaring lapses this year. I still like him overall; I think he'll make a good coach.
 
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