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This could be the worst Utah Jazz team we've ever seen.

The Norm points to an important Q.
If today's Jazz are the worst team in NBA then Wiggins won't cut it alone, and one feels obliged to agree about that!

That said, this team sux not because CoreX (=insert 4-5 whatever) are bad, au contraire they are playing well (sub-par sometimes sure, but good stats are there, and Burke is injured) .
This team sux because it is bad by design.
Bad 2. and 3. string PGs, very thin bench and even thinner Gobert :::> this team is destined to fail.
At the end, no need to push the panic button!

To do list
Charlize Theron,
Bring in a good 2. string PG like Nate Wolters (yeah Jackrabbits baby),
bring in a shooter and Wiggins
AND A COACH,
you got yourselves a championship caliber team!

this is your team!
 
I think its even more obvious today that Corbin is not the leader we need. This team isn't maximizing it's talent at all.
I don't care about the wins and losses, we look sloppy, and unprepared. Look at the Suns under Hornacek.
Much better looking team. These players are going to take a while to get better, but you can tell Ty is also to blame.
The guy just can't maximize talent, and never has.
 
Revolution 9 said:
I think its even more obvious today that Corbin is not the leader we need. This team isn't maximizing it's talent at all.
I don't care about the wins and losses, we look sloppy, and unprepared. Look at the Suns under Hornacek.
Much better looking team. These players are going to take a while to get better, but you can tell Ty is also to blame.
The guy just can't maximize talent, and never has.
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The only way to get rid of Ty is if:

- Favors becomes Defensive Player of the Year

- Kanter becomes First Team All Star

- We drafted Wiggins and he somehow became the next Jordan

AND WE STILL HAVEN'T WON A CHAMPIONSHIP.


Then I'm pretty confident Ty would get fired.
 
The Norm said:
It's remarkable how stupid some of you are. The Jazz being the worst team in the NBA isn't a good thing - it just shows our core is overrated and that the team has nothing to put around whatever young stud they draft. They'll struggle for years, and even if they draft an eventual superstar it's guaranteed the guy will leave the Jazz the second he can. I see us having a few good years similar to the Hornets with Paul, and that team won one playoff series.
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You act as if we only get one pick in the draft next year and that is the only roster change we can make.

You also act as if none of our young core can improve during this year and you act as if you know what effect trey burke will have on the team.

You sir, are the dumb one.

We can make trades, and pick up free agents next year.... our young core can improve this season.... we have multiple picks in next years loaded draft..... our coaches contract is up this year so we can get a better coach..... some guys not on the team now will be added next year. (Neto, burke, maybe rush)
 
This team is set for the future.

Hayward and Kanter are starting to show the hell up. Burks is right there and Favors needs to get his head straight and just own it.

After this year Biedrins, Tinsley, Lucas, Clark and Harris are gone. Jefferson, Williams and Rush are maybes.

So you have:

Favors/Gobert
Kanter/Evans
Hayward
Burks
Burke/Neto

Plus 3-4 draft picks (how many 2nd rounders do we have?) draft picks, Obviously you need a wing - Wiggins or Parker anyone. So draft well then use the free agent period to fill in the roster. I would like to see Jefferson back in a late wing bench role.
 
Stoked said:
This team is set for the future.

Hayward and Kanter are starting to show the hell up. Burks is right there and Favors needs to get his head straight and just own it.

After this year Biedrins, Tinsley, Lucas, Clark and Harris are gone. Jefferson, Williams and Rush are maybes.

So you have:

Favors/Gobert
Kanter/Evans
Hayward
Burks
Burke/Neto

Plus 3-4 draft picks (how many 2nd rounders do we have?) draft picks, Obviously you need a wing - Wiggins or Parker anyone. So draft well then use the free agent period to fill in the roster. I would like to see Jefferson back in a late wing bench role.[/QUOTE]

Man, I was right there with you until the last sentence. Jefferson just isn't good and his drop off from here is going to be exponential. I would rather see us retain Williams if we have to keep one of the current vets. People like Williams and Jefferson can be had for relatively cheap. Most years the Jazz can create one from garbage they sign off the side of the road.
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With BJ Burke, Corbin would have coached this team to a 5-0 record. Bitches be trippin on Hayward, Kanter, Favors, Burks.
 
framer said:
Man, I was right there with you until the last sentence. Jefferson just isn't good and his drop off from here is going to be exponential. I would rather see us retain Williams if we have to keep one of the current vets. People like Williams and Jefferson can be had for relatively cheap. Most years the Jazz can create one from garbage they sign off the side of the road.
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I agree they can be had for cheap. I am not even talking about a primary wing back up. I am talking a late wing rotation player like the 10th guy on the rotation. Place Hayward, Burks and the draft pick all ahead of him. I am reserving judgement on Williams till after he has had some time back.
 
Stoked said:
This team is set for the future.

Hayward and Kanter are starting to show the hell up. Burks is right there and Favors needs to get his head straight and just own it.

After this year Biedrins, Tinsley, Lucas, Clark and Harris are gone. Jefferson, Williams and Rush are maybes.

So you have:

Favors/Gobert
Kanter/Evans
Hayward
Burks
Burke/Neto

Plus 3-4 draft picks (how many 2nd rounders do we have?) draft picks, Obviously you need a wing - Wiggins or Parker anyone. So draft well then use the free agent period to fill in the roster. I would like to see Jefferson back in a late wing bench role.
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What we really have at this point:

PG - none/Burke/none
SG - Hayward/Burks
SF - none/none/none
PF - Favors/Kanter/none
C - none/Gobert/none

Hopefully a couple of things happen this offseason. One, we get Wiggins or Parker. Two, we sign a vet PG to come in and compete with Burke for the starting role. Favors or Kanter accept that they need to be a C and not a PF, or we realize that every once in awhile we will be completely mismatched at the C position. Finally, we get a real coach.

Then, we look completely different next year:

Burke/Hinrich or Collinson
Hayward/Burks
Parker or Wiggins/Marvin or Rush
Favors/Humphries or Blair
Kanter/Gobert

Better. I really feel like with Parker/Wiggins, this team is just a PG and backup big away from really being a great team. Can Burke be that guy? I sure hope so.
 
green said:
Then, we look completely different next year:

Burke/Hinrich or Collinson
Hayward/Burks
Parker or Wiggins/Marvin or Rush
Favors/Humphries or Blair
Kanter/Gobert

Better. I really feel like with Parker/Wiggins, this team is just a PG and backup big away from really being a great team. Can Burke be that guy? I sure hope so.
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Good work.

That roster competes for the playoffs NEXT YEAR.

put neto in there as the third string point
 
green said:
What we really have at this point:

PG - none/Burke/none
SG - Hayward/Burks
SF - none/none/none
PF - Favors/Kanter/none
C - none/Gobert/none

Hopefully a couple of things happen this offseason. One, we get Wiggins or Parker. Two, we sign a vet PG to come in and compete with Burke for the starting role. Favors or Kanter accept that they need to be a C and not a PF, or we realize that every once in awhile we will be completely mismatched at the C position. Finally, we get a real coach.

Then, we look completely different next year:

Burke/Hinrich or Collinson
Hayward/Burks
Parker or Wiggins/Marvin or Rush
Favors/Humphries or Blair
Kanter/Gobert

Better. I really feel like with Parker/Wiggins, this team is just a PG and backup big away from really being a great team. Can Burke be that guy? I sure hope so.
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So you accept that the return of Humphries to the Jazz is inevitable? You. sir. have been studying your Nostradamus!
<=== Owns a Kris Humphries Jazz jersey
 
fishonjazz said:
Good work.

That roster competes for the playoffs NEXT YEAR.

put neto in there as the third string point
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I've always said, with they way the cap is on this team, and the picks they have, they should not be in the lottery after this year. If they are KOC failed with his picks/trades (Favors, Kanter, Hayward, Burks).
 
I am wondering if we ever win a road game this season :(... if we can't beat Boston and Phoenix.
 
Tarkanian said:
The Norm points to an important Q.
If today's Jazz are the worst team in NBA then Wiggins won't cut it alone, and one feels obliged to agree about that!

That said, this team sux not because CoreX (=insert 4-5 whatever) are bad, au contraire they are playing well (sub-par sometimes sure, but good stats are there, and Burke is injured) .
This team sux because it is bad by design.
Bad 2. and 3. string PGs, very thin bench and even thinner Gobert :::> this team is destined to fail.
At the end, no need to push the panic button!

To do list
Charlize Theron,
Bring in a good 2. string PG like Nate Wolters (yeah Jackrabbits baby),
bring in a shooter and Wiggins
AND A COACH,
you got yourselves a championship caliber team!

this is your team!
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I'm very intrigued by your analysis, please go into further detail regarding Charlize Theron and how she fits into the future of the Jazz. Thanks.
 
HighlandHomie said:
It's the effort. They're all dragging *** whenever things start to go downhill. That's a sign of no leadership from the coach. Never happened under Sloan.
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Maybe in fantasy land but in reality there were plenty of stinky games where guys were dragging their @$$ during Sloan coaching reign. It is a long season and what the start of this season tells us is this team doesn't have enough talent or experience yet. Be patient. Some people are already to jump off a bridge and the Jazz haven't even played 10 games yet.
 
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