This franchise doesn't want to win a title

[cyclo]

So why support it?

This season:

Raja Bell
8.6 ppg. 2.5 rpg. 1.5 apg. 0.8 spg. 42.9% fg.

Wes Matthews
16.1 ppg. 3.1 rpg. 1.6 apg. 1.2 spg. 43.9% fg.

For the Jazz, it always comes down to this. When that extra money needs to be spent to make the Jazz a championship team, the owner flat refuses.

The Lakers won two championships, because their owner Jerry Buss was willing to pay the luxury tax. The Jazz owner? Not so.

Have fun getting KO'd again in the 1st or 2nd round. It's becoming a Jazz tradition.

 

[vj_74]

For the Jazz, it always comes down to this. When that extra money needs to be spent to make the Jazz a championship team, the owner flat refuses.

The Lakers won two championships, because their owner Jerry Buss was willing to pay the luxury tax. The Jazz owner? Not so.

We have been paying LT last year and maybe this year too unless a trade happens. That is not the problem. For a small market team we have a high enough payroll.

The problem is the front office's stubborness to pretend to not realize that they are spending this money on the wrong guys. Or overpaying some of them, like AK and Memo.

When you are a small market team and you decide to pay a 5th option, a role player 16-8 mil/yr for 3 or 4 years then your chances of winning anything is doomed.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Oh come on. Get ****ing real.

 

[NUMBERICA]

P.S. I attempted to neg rep you and called you a jackass in the note, but I positive repped you. I guess I was the jackass there, but my sentiments still apply.

 

[Chad Feldheimer]

hindsight is always 20/20 huh?

If they were more worried about making money they would have never positioned to acquire Al Jefferson and in turn carry the 6th highest payroll in the NBA right?

 

[Marty McFly]

P.S. I attempted to neg rep you and called you a jackass in the note, but I positive repped you. I guess I was the jackass there, but my sentiments still apply.

I gave him a -4 to help balance it out.

 

[vj_74]

Is there really a strong enough financial incentive for a small market team to win a championship? I have always wondered about that. Can someone help answer that question.
How much more does a owner of a team that wins a championship make over a team's owner that say, loses in the second round?
What Iam trying to drive at is that maybe from strictly a business point of view it maybe doesnt make sense for Greggy boy to take any more risks financially to win it all. Maybe it just isnt worth it for him. Maybe the prize money isnt that big here. You have a loyal fan base who will keep filling the seats as long as you are a playoffs team.
Just how much more money can you make by winning a couple more rounds in the playoffs?

Maybe this needs a separate thread.

 

[David Stern]

Is there really a strong enough financial incentive for a small market team to win a championship? I have always wondered about that. Can someone help answer that question.
How much more does a owner of a team that wins a championship make over a team's owner that say, loses in the second round?
What Iam trying to drive at is that maybe from strictly a business point of view it maybe doesnt make sense for Greggy boy to take any more risks financially to win it all. Maybe it just isnt worth it for him. Maybe the prize money isnt that big here. You have a loyal fan base who will keep filling the seats as long as you are a playoffs team.
Just how much more money can you make by winning a couple more rounds in the playoffs?

Maybe this needs a separate thread.

See: the San Antonio Spurs.

 

[ankle breaker]

you just realized this?

why do you think they switched jerseys? so they could make money.

 

[Eminem]

So why support it?

This season:

Raja Bell
8.6 ppg. 2.5 rpg. 1.5 apg. 0.8 spg. 42.9% fg.

Wes Matthews
16.1 ppg. 3.1 rpg. 1.6 apg. 1.2 spg. 43.9% fg.

For the Jazz, it always comes down to this. When that extra money needs to be spent to make the Jazz a championship team, the owner flat refuses.

The Lakers won two championships, because their owner Jerry Buss was willing to pay the luxury tax. The Jazz owner? Not so.

Have fun getting KO'd again in the 1st or 2nd round. It's becoming a Jazz tradition.

I seriously doubt having westley matthews over raja bell means we would win a championship.

 

[Eminem]

Was matthews goignt o grow till he's 7 feet tall to be our center?

 

[vj_74]

See: the San Antonio Spurs.

Dont quite get what you are trying to say.Are you saying that the Spurs, despite being a small market team(although it has been shown on this board that they are a bigger market than advertised) have the incentive to win while we dont? I am not talking about winning a title for winning sake or for pride sake. Iam asking what does Greg Miller stand to benefit $wise by going a couple more rounds deeper in the playoffs. Yeah ideally you cannot put a price tag on a championship. But then maybe for some businessmen it is the $$ that matters. And if so, does winning it all guarantee prize money?

Because the Jazz have already been going over LT the last 2 years and yet losing in the firts two rounds. why should they pay even higher LT unless winning it all guarantees big prize money?

I have always thought that the Jazz ownership have been smart and frugal spending-wise. But that was during LHM days. In the last 2 years they have been spending more to get the same, if not worse, results than they got in 2006-2007. That is not smart spending.

 

[vj_74]

I seriously doubt having westley matthews over raja bell means we would win a championship.

You would think that people would realie this by now. Surprising that some of them still think that having Wes means infinitely better.

Having Wes means = more luxury tax while still losing in the second round, or at best WCF.

You want to upgrade at SG? Upgrade bigtime. Make a bold trade. Get Jason Richardson, Eric Gordon, Iguodala or somebody like that.

 

[Sloanfeld]

Wow, please, GET OVER WES MATTHEWS ALREADY. He's good, but his numbers are higher due to Roy's injury. Even Aldridge is beasting it in his absence. He wouldn't be getting that many PPG here. Sloan's offense was never built around a player like him, and if you need further clarification of that then you must not be paying attention.

 

[JAZZFAN_2814]

The Lakers won two championships, because their owner Jerry Buss was willing to pay the luxury tax. The Jazz owner? Not so.

The Lakers won two titles off of the corrupt Gasol trade, itself initiated as much by the league office as Buss or his acolytes. Same thing with the Celtics and KG. The interesting subheader is how endogomous both trades were: Jerry West and McHale as sleepercells. Traitors being paid by another owner. Further, dating back to Magic and Kobe, the league has often been comfortable with shady deals that benefited the Lakers.

Still, I wouldn't disagree with the assumption about Jazz ownership. Well, they wouldn't mind winning a championship, much the same way some people dream of someday flying to another solar system. You know?

What I've always found telling is that, as an outlier versus names like Malone, Stock, et cetera, Miller's pride rather than bitterness in relation to Utah's fall to Chicago in the 98 Finals. Not a peep over the officiating, but instead outward pomp that Utah had been there at all.

Compared to someone like Cuban, that's quite the contrast. You could call it class, but Miller in so many other contexts was never concerned with that, particularly when it came to poor-mouthing it over Utah's financial interests or the latest war of words with Karl that would often result from his miserly nature.

The team exists to be stable. Just good enough to be occasionally interesting. The joke is that this is the plan working to perfection, both for Utah and the Jazz as a small market model for the league.

 

[vj_74]

The team exists to be stable. Just good enough to be occasionally interesting. The joke is that this is the plan working to perfection, both for Utah and the Jazz as a small market model for the league.

And Deron is smart enough to have figured it out by now. And he is'nt going to be quite Stockton-like in sticking it out no matter what happens.

 

[memo is money]

Wesley is the same player. He is getting more mins, more chances and his stats are obviously affected positively by this. His efficiency, impact is the same. Get over Wes obsession. This example does not relate your argument of the Jazz FO's not being aggressive enough.

 

[Marty McFly]

Wesley is the same player. He is getting more mins, more chances and his stats are obviously affected positively by this. His efficiency, impact is the same. Get over Wes obsession. This example does not relate your argument of the Jazz FO's not being aggressive enough.

Maybe he is the same player. That still player is still dominating Bell in every aspect of the game. Wes was an awesome player while he was here.

 

[zman1527]

Maybe he is the same player. That still player is still dominating Bell in every aspect of the game. Wes was an awesome player while he was here.

Absolutely. He would be a serious upgrade from Bell. But Bell is just what the Jazz like: a veteran, a tough guy, a Sloan-guy. Talent matters little.

 

[Revolution 9]

We all loved Wes, but it was hard to tell last summer if Wes was worth that deal. I'm always weary of signing a long term deal off of one season.
I wish we had Wes here too, but last summer most of the league thought the deal was too much. He isn't the answer to a title, but like most of you I want
him over Bell. He was a lot easier on the eyes.