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Mission Accomplished

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let's admit it now. If we were to list the goals of this year both from the team point of view down to players progression. Up to this point we have missed the mark. Two of our young core are not even starting.
 
let's admit it now. If we were to list the goals of this year both from the team point of view down to players progression. Up to this point we have missed the mark. Two of our young core are not even starting.

I thought the "mission" was "accomplished" when "KOC" was "gone"????



Please explain.
 
I thought the "mission" was "accomplished" when "KOC" was "gone"????



Please explain.

You've thought right about the one who thought wrong.

Jazz never had the stomach to tank hard. And they will always play only to win. Fan support is everything to this franchise.
 
This tanking by the Lakers is positively GS-like, just being done much earlier in the season.
 
The Jazz just beat the Heat at home and the Lakers on the road. Surely they're contenders, right?
 
Not to defend the Lakers but they have had a TON of injuries. Burke's injury wasn't bad enough. Imagine if he hadn't gotten hurt, the Jazz would be competing for the 8th seed with no hope at being a contender.

What might really suck is that this 2014 draft could really suck if Embiid, Parker and Wiggins stay in school. I stopped worrying about the tank and will live with what happens. Besides it is ALWAYS nice to be the Lakers.
 
Not to defend the Lakers but they have had a TON of injuries. Burke's injury wasn't bad enough. Imagine if he hadn't gotten hurt, the Jazz would be competing for the 8th seed with no hope at being a contender.

What might really suck is that this 2014 draft could really suck if Embiid, Parker and Wiggins stay in school. I stopped worrying about the tank and will live with what happens. Besides it is ALWAYS nice to be the Lakers.

Hand in your fan card.
 
This organization is dumb as a rock. All the guts and brains have left the building. No plan to ever be contenders,even when its staring them in the face.The next move will be extending Corbin and telling us look at the wins over storied teams like the Lakers and Heat. We are the car buyers in their eyes and they are the overconfident salesmen who know they can sell us lemon after lemon.
 
KOC was a horrible GM.

Two part response:

1. KOC a horrible GM?
The young core we have is largely because of KOC. The financial state of the franchise is because of KOC. The fact the Jazz had no long-term contracts and were able to decide their course this past summer (continue on with Millsap, Carroll, etc. or rebuild) was because of KOC. O'Connor rebuilt the team after Stockton and Malone left. He manuevered the trade to get Deron. That team made it all the way to the WC finals. Had Boozer not been constantly injured and AK had bigger $%#^'s the team might have even been a contender. Look at how long other franchises have struggled after losing their stars: Boston after Bird, Lakers after Magic, Chicago after Jordan. Look at the franchises that keep making trade after trade and never get better. Or the teams that get lottery pick after lottery pick yet stay on the fringes of the playoffs. I'd say KOC did pretty well, given the mandate from the Millers to keep the Jazz competitive.
 
2. Lindsey
Geez, give the guy a couple of seasons to enact his plan. It wasn't until this summer the Jazz FO gave the ok to rebuild. They were still in talks with Millsap and other vets right up to the time the GS deal went down. The core-5 was NEVER going to be able to match the lack of team talent on Milwaukee and Philly. I'd like to go back to the prediction thread (before the season started). I don't think many of us had Utah in the bottom-5. Only thing that has changed is LA (due to injuries) swapping places with Phoenix. Still in a battle with Boston, Cleveland, Sacramento and Orlando. But we're only there because of Trey's injury and the terrible start.

Lindsey's plan was to get a lottery pick...period. The team composition is very much like Portland last season, which won 33 games. Barring major injuries - or a bust by one or more of the "core5" - there was little chance of getting a top-5 pick. And DL also got additional picks for using our cap space. An outstanding coup, IMO.

95% certain nothing will get done at the deadline. RJ and MW are just making too much; neither is easily traded. Dennis is about 1/2 done with putting a team in place. He's got a couple of 1st's, probably brings over Neto and likely signs 1-2 FA's with the cap space he'll have by letting the expirings simply EXPIRE. Some would view that as "getting nothing in return." I view it as going with BPA or Best "Free Agent" Available, rather than just the only player available that a team was willing to let go to trade for Marvin or Richard.

AS for Corbin, yeah, I guess DL could have let him go last year and kept Hornacek. I doubt that was an option he had. I still think Ty will be gone. Don't see a whole lot of defensive improvement and that was - uncharacteristcally - disclosed as the criteria Corbin would be judged on.
 
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