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I do agree NUMBERICA in theory that they would complement each other on the floor. Koufos could always guard the faster player big man. He has rare ability to guard both positions. Koufos didn't show much when he played but his ability is what made him a good prospect. But Experience is the key still and he came out of college too early. Projects need to be on bad teams so they get playing time or stay in college. One of the reasons why there are so many busts now days. Too much potential. not enough playing time for experience.
 
Kosta Koufos gets paid 1.2 Million this year. Francisco Elson is going to get paid the Veteran Minimum. He is also 34 years old. Koufos is 21. We didn't save any money Jazzfanz.
Um, my understanding is that salaries of vet minimum players can be subject to an NBA rebate, according to Coon the cap guru:
"When a player has been in the NBA for three or more seasons, and is playing under a one-year, ten-day or rest-of-season contract, the league actually reimburses the team for part of his salary - any amount above the minimum salary level for a two-year veteran."
https://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm

So Utah is saving maybe half a million by taking an Elson over a Koufos. It would've been a much more significant financial decision if they had decided not to blow eight figures on reupping Matador Memo-without prior knowledge of the Achilles injury. Okur wasn't gonna get signed anywhere else for more money, even if he were healthy. And then there's the decision not to wait a year on renewing Kirilenko. His albatross contract would've expired already, and he probably would've re-signed for half as much.

The Jazz need to stop drafting projects. Projects need playing time. If we are not going to give them playing time than we are wasting our draft picks. They have no experience. Practice doesn't increase your experience. So I guess I am glad Koufos is going to a new team so he can develop. Jazz wouldn't play him anyways.
While I definitely agree with you that projects need playing time, Al Jefferson would have been considered a project if Utah had drafted him out of high school. Maybe your claim still holds because he took a few years to develop, but even CJ miles--with all the impatience that he exacted among JazzFanz--came along OK at a modest salary.

And in the case of big men, sometimes "projects" are all that's available, especially at a 20ish pick. KK2 was a decent choice at the Jazz's slot, but as you so eloquently pointed out, Koufos lacked the playing time to really develop any consistency. I maintain that it's not a coincidence that he was doing decently in his rookie year and then plummeted when his PT disappeared for no apparent reason. It likely affected his psyche, his physical skills, or both. Sloan repeated history by giving Koufos no notable nod after the Boom Beyotches heard 'round the world. There were times to play KK2 (and Fes, too) when the outcome was not in question--and sometimes when the players on the court were sucking wind anyway.

It would've taken a lot (i.e., a healthy AK and maybe Okur, and both of 'em still might have not been enough) to beat the Fakers, but Utah could've logged a W or two vs. the champs if they had had more big-man development time with the backups. It's not like it sneaked up on them; the same thing happend against the Fakers in the last playoffs or two, too.
 
Koufos lost his confidence pretty badly. I think he could still make it in the league, but it's going to be an uphill battle. The biggest problem he has is he doesn't have any one skill to buy him time on the court to learn. He's not a great defender or rebounder, doesn't score, hasn't proved he can shoot from outside like he did in college, so there isn't really any reason to sub him in. He came out too early. He needs a Euro stint.
 
Koufos lost his confidence pretty badly. I think he could still make it in the league, but it's going to be an uphill battle. The biggest problem he has is he doesn't have any one skill to buy him time on the court to learn. He's not a great defender or rebounder, doesn't score, hasn't proved he can shoot from outside like he did in college, so there isn't really any reason to sub him in. He came out too early. He needs a Euro stint.
Um, not that Jarron "Tree" Collins should be the level of skill to which any NBA player should be measured, but Koufos scored and rebounded at a higher rate (and fouled at a lower rate) than Jarron Collins did in his first year. Even last year, which was perceived to be pretty underwhelming for KK2, he outpaced Tree again (although Kouf's TOs did go up).

This is not adjusted, of course, for the opposition--it would be near impossible to do so--but the bottom line is that Tree, a second-rounder, got nearly nearly three times the playing time that Boom Beyotches did in his first two years. Tree started a bunch of games, but that means that he was playing alongside better players also.

I simply don't buy that Koufos (or Fes) has been developed well, because on-court time is part of that development, and Sloan didn't find that time for either of them. The bigger priority was to develop Fes, but that didn't even happen, even when Memo was sucking wind (literally sometimes; figuratively sometimes) and when Boozer + Millsap wasn't all that effective. It wasn't until last spring's playoffs that Memo's and Kiri's injury forced Sloan's hand to put Fes on the court. For the most part, he held his own, but he was learning along the way, and he would have been much better off with a few extra MPG during the season. Those minutes should've come from Okur or Millsap (who could've had plenty of progress on 23 to 25 minutes per game than the 27 MPG average that he got).

What is ironic is that Sloan, who had preached for years against a vast use of the 3-point shot, seemed mesmerized by Memo's Money ball, even when Utah started to have multiple outside-shooting options elsewhere. I'm skeptical of Okur's value even in clutch time--the way that Stephon Marbury dribbled right past him for a Knicks victory comes to mind--but even after having two legit 7-footers for at least a couple of years, neither one of them has had any semblance of regular minutes for development when providing them was feasible. One thing is to bench Fes for his off-court goofiness; in Kouf's case, though, he seemed to work super-hard and still didn't get any nod. Talk about NOT motivating your players. Heck, it's not like we were not going to risk playoff home court advantage or something--oh, wait . . .
 
Lets be realistic, the Jazz never gave him a chance. You can't put a guy in for 5 minutes every other night and expect him to be in the flow of the game. He is still younger than half the rookies entering the league this year and its a known fact big men take a long time to develop. Judging from what I saw in summer league, I'd rather the Jazz kept him and gave Minny Fesenko in a s&t.
 
Lets be realistic, the Jazz never gave him a chance. You can't put a guy in for 5 minutes every other night and expect him to be in the flow of the game. He is still younger than half the rookies entering the league this year and its a known fact big men take a long time to develop. Judging from what I saw in summer league, I'd rather the Jazz kept him and gave Minny Fesenko in a s&t.

I think the main reason why the front office is higher on Fes is because he can guard the big big men of the league better than Koufos. Also Fes is actually a littler cheaper as well. Also who is going to give us the quotes that Fes does.
 
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