This Makes Me Happy, Part 2

[Nate505]

I think anyone who wants to build a life here should learn english.

But not to accommodate me. To make life easier, and possibly create opportunities for themselves. My life is not any harder because of immigrants that don't speak english.

I do think people in the service industry should know English. I hate going to a place and ordering something only to have the clerk/teller/etc. not understand what I'm ordering. But I really don't care if some day laborer or mechanic (that doesn't deal with the customer) or whatever doesn't know it.

 

[The-Joker]

I think when most of these people, pretty much spend 100% of their time within the mexican culture... and probably have little interaction with english speakers, they see no need to learn English.

I think when these people come to this country, they don't want to integrate into our society... they want to be a part of their society, but in a country where there is more opportunity (essentially a country where they wont' be killed, and their kids won't be taken)

 

[Duck Rodgers]

Another problem with Mexicans particularly not learning English is the demagoguery of American foundations, such as the Ford Foundation, against American citizens themselves. They fund academic programs in Mexico that teach that Americans are bad and that you guys should go take back your land. The proliferation of that demagoguery and the rise of Chicano movements make massive healthy immigration nearly impossible from that country. These foundations do that stuff because they know that a lot of Mexicans that make it to America are never going to learn English. If they did, most of them would realize most of the programs the Ford Foundation supports are complete bull **** and it's just a charlatan globalist immiseration thesis ideological pushing front group.

Learn English, you are less likely to be preyed upon. Don't learn English, who knows. That would be my entire motivation for learning English if I weren't raised here.

 

[Scat]

Would you live in a foreign country for 20+ years and still only speak your native language? Because that is just ridiculous and a lack of respect for the country and the culture that you reside in.

Silly, there is no such thing as American culture so your argument is moot and your a racist. Just ask NAOS. He'll tell you.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

I'm still confused as to how saying that somebody living in America for 23 years should be able to speak fluent english is racist. Can somebody explain that to me?

Would you live in a foreign country for 20+ years and still only speak your native language? Because that is just ridiculous and a lack of respect for the country and the culture that you reside in.

There is quite the gap between speaking a second language fluently and speaking only a native language.

There is also quite the gap between speaking a language and speaking it in an official capacity.

I'm amused by the black and white description of language here. You either know it or don't know it. Laughable.

 

[asian_roger]

Not knowing English after living in America 20+ years is their own problem. Life would be much easier if they knew English and it would be easier for them to move up in society. If they were smart, they would attempt to learn English to improve their own life.

 

[The-Joker]

Not knowing English after living in America 20+ years is their own problem. Life would be much easier if they knew English and it would be easier for them to move up in society. If they were smart, they would attempt to learn English to improve their own life.

clap, clap, clap, clap, clap

These people don't live in American society, they live in a safer, better Mexican society based in certain parts of every town all over the US. All this proves is that a guy was able to get by for 22 years without learning English... and I'm not surprised... because we're talking about 2 different societies. and none of us can understand, because I'd assume all of us are firmly planted in the other society.

 

[Boondocksaint27]

It appears to me that anytime people are critical of illegal immigration, the "racist" label is quickly thrown out. I would love to see an open discussion about both sides of the immigration issue, where the pro-immigrant side doesn't throw out the label of "racist" as the backbone to their argument. I know several people who are critical of illegal immigration, and they are of hispanic origin.

 

[Scat]

That's because the Lord was blessing you. BTW, Marcus likes the Lord, too... mainly because he gave this country to white Americans.



Marcus, what IS American culture? Where is American culture? How do you participate in it if you are relatively cash starved?

Once again, Marcus proving himself to be a complete and utter tard. I'm glad you've found a modicum of comfort after not pushing your mind very hard... such luck shouldn't be taken for granted (thus your Love for the Lord).

//edited by moderator for inappropriate sexual reference//

I like how the mod edited out the inappropriate sexual reference but left the personal attack against me.

 

[LogGrad98]

So NAOS are you arguing there is no such thing as American culture? It kind of reads that way. As a sociocultural anthropologist, please educate us on what defines a culture and why America doesn't have one. I am sure everyone has their opinion on the subject, and I am curious about an informed opinion from someone who has studied culture in much more depth than I am sure the rest of us have. In an introductory sociocultural anthropology class, how do they define culture, and how does, or doesn't, America fit that definition?

(not trolling here, genuinely interested in what differentiates America from other "cultures")

 

[Agoxlea]

It appears to me that anytime people are critical of illegal immigration, the "racist" label is quickly thrown out. I would love to see an open discussion about both sides of the immigration issue, where the pro-immigrant side doesn't throw out the label of "racist" as the backbone to their argument. I know several people who are critical of illegal immigration, and they are of hispanic origin.

If anyone would like to go back and read my post, I specifically said that the racist part of the comment was not the argument he was trying to make, but how he made it. I get and even partially agree with some of the points being made in favor of this man learning English. I do think ultimately that if I were speaking under oath I would prefer to speak in my native language even if I possessed the ability to speak in other languages (I do), but in most other situations it would behoove one to learn the language of the area/country. The racist part of Marcus' comment though was the obvious attack of the man by referencing the Peso. The peso is a weak currency yes, but it had nothing to do with the discussion and it's only purpose in Marcus' comment was to attack the individual from the story. There are a lot of arguments that can be made on both sides of this without being racist, but the intention of Marcus' comment was to demean, not to make a point.

 

[Boondocksaint27]

If anyone would like to go back and read my post, I specifically said that the racist part of the comment was not the argument he was trying to make, but how he made it. I get and even partially agree with some of the points being made in favor of this man learning English. I do think ultimately that if I were speaking under oath I would prefer to speak in my native language even if I possessed the ability to speak in other languages (I do), but in most other situations it would behoove one to learn the language of the area/country. The racist part of Marcus' comment though was the obvious attack of the man by referencing the Peso. The peso is a weak currency yes, but it had nothing to do with the discussion and it's only purpose in Marcus' comment was to attack the individual from the story. There are a lot of arguments that can be made on both sides of this without being racist, but the intention of Marcus' comment was to demean, not to make a point.

Sorry, should have clarified that my post was not directed at you. I was referring to any time I read a news story or am involved in a discussion regarding illegal immigration, and someone is critical of illegal immigration, the "racist" gauntlet is immediately thrown down. I was stating that in the overall, take out the ability of those defending illegal immigration to call someone a "racist" for simply being critical of it, and start the discussion from there.

 

[Scat]

If anyone would like to go back and read my post, I specifically said that the racist part of the comment was not the argument he was trying to make, but how he made it. I get and even partially agree with some of the points being made in favor of this man learning English. I do think ultimately that if I were speaking under oath I would prefer to speak in my native language even if I possessed the ability to speak in other languages (I do), but in most other situations it would behoove one to learn the language of the area/country. The racist part of Marcus' comment though was the obvious attack of the man by referencing the Peso. The peso is a weak currency yes, but it had nothing to do with the discussion and it's only purpose in Marcus' comment was to attack the individual from the story. There are a lot of arguments that can be made on both sides of this without being racist, but the intention of Marcus' comment was to demean, not to make a point.

I was simply carrying on the idea that many from Mexico want to bring everything about Mexico with them and not adjust to their new surroundings. It had nothing to do with racism.

 

[Agoxlea]

Sorry, should have clarified that my post was not directed at you. I was referring to any time I read a news story or am involved in a discussion regarding illegal immigration, and someone is critical of illegal immigration, the "racist" gauntlet is immediately thrown down. I was stating that in the overall, take out the ability of those defending illegal immigration to call someone a "racist" for simply being critical of it, and start the discussion from there.

I just assumed, because I am the one who initially brought the word to the table. I wasn't so much upset with the argument, just the tone of that one specific post.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

I was simply carrying on the idea that many from Mexico want to bring everything about Mexico with them and not adjust to their new surroundings. It had nothing to do with racism.

If that's the case, it's a horribly thought out idea because a vast majority of Mexicans come to the U.S. for the superior dollar to send back to their families in Mexico.