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NUMBERICA said:
It’s possible to play tough without cheap-shotting the smallest dude on the court. In fact, that’s the opposite of tough.
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Agreed. There is a video out there of Royce's cheap shots on Brunson. Most of them are him fighting through screens or bodying him up away from the basket. Those are all fine. The elbow to the back is way over the line and disappointing.
 
You have to trade the entire team. There is just too much stench on everyone involved during this season.

Obviously keep a guy like Jared Butler, but trade literally everyone else.
 
Remember when Paschal scored 29 and Hughes scored 26 against the Raptors? Perhaps nothing needed to be done after JIngles injury. This team is so effed up. When the Mavs were going iso ball in the 4th, had Quin never heard of a zone or match up zone? Amazing this guy gets millions to be a total idiot.
 
The NBA game has evolved. The Jazz are built like a Spurs team from 10 years ago. Danny Ainge's vision of 'positionless' basketball, where everyone defends, everyone can shoot from 3, and some guys can create off the dribble, is being shown by Dallas.

Honestly, as much as we love Rudy Gobert, the fact that he can't punish a small-ball lineup for 25 points every night is as big a weakness to the team as their lack of defense on the perimeter. If Rudy could do *anything* offensively, the Mavs wouldn't be getting away with their small lineups. Phoenix would be playing through Ayton on nearly every possession against this Mavs team.

I think Ainge is going to listen to trade offers on Gobert.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
The NBA game has evolved. The Jazz are built like a Spurs team from 10 years ago. Danny Ainge's vision of 'positionless' basketball, where everyone defends, everyone can shoot from 3, and some guys can create off the dribble, is being shown by Dallas.

Honestly, as much as we love Rudy Gobert, the fact that he can't punish a small-ball lineup for 25+ points every night is as big a weakness to the team as their lack of defense on the perimeter. If Rudy could do *anything* offensively, the Mavs wouldn't be getting away with their small lineups.

I think Ainge is going to take trade offers on Gobert.
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Clearly switching things up with Gobert is kind of hard. I dont doubt that.

BUT at the same time, it doesnt even feel like we try to do so. Is Rudy so ineffective offensively because he can't be? Or is it that we just arent running the right actions (like getting him the ball when he has a small pinned under the rim)?

Because Whiteside can do things against small lineups. We've seen his post game. It's pretty good at punishing small players, but we dont use it when he goes in the game.

It's just beyond me what are strategy is. Why in the hell are we taking an obscene amount of floaters. Not passing to Rudy is great when the shot is a solid look from 3. It's not great when it's hard floaters and turn-around shots in the mid-range.

Also, given Rudy's **** *** post game from anything outside of 3 feet, why havent the Jazz tried to make him a mid-range shooter? He's not a terrible FT shooter. At least give it a try in the regular season. Try to expand his game so the team has a bit more versatility in things they can run.

I have defended Snyder a lot, but I think I'm now on the side that is really tired of his lack of creativity. I think he stumbled upon gold with his system and we've stuck too closely to analytics to justify not changing.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Clearly switching things up with Gobert is kind of hard. I dont doubt that.

BUT at the same time, it doesnt even feel like we try to do so. Is Rudy so ineffective offensively because he can't be? Or is it that we just arent running the right actions (like getting him the ball when he has a small pinned under the rim)?

Because Whiteside can do things against small lineups. We've seen his post game. It's pretty good at punishing small players, but we dont use it when he goes in the game.

It's just beyond me what are strategy is. Why in the hell are we taking an obscene amount of floaters. Not passing to Rudy is great when the shot is a solid look from 3. It's not great when it's hard floaters and turn-around shots in the mid-range.

Also, given Rudy's **** *** post game from anything outside of 3 feet, why havent the Jazz tried to make him a mid-range shooter? He's not a terrible FT shooter. At least give it a try in the regular season. Try to expand his game so the team has a bit more versatility in things they can run.

I have defended Snyder a lot, but I think I'm now on the side that is really tired of his lack of creativity. I think he stumbled upon gold with his system and we've stuck too closely to analytics to justify not changing.
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The Jazz are a system, like the Spurs. Small guards, traditional big, traditional wings. Pick-and-rolls at the top and the side of the floor. Literally built by Dennis Lindsey in the image of the Spurs. But it doesn't work against teams that play basically 5 athletic wings. All the criticism that Gobert gets played off the floor is valid.

Gobert should be scoring inside on every possession against defenders like Kleber, Bertans, DFS, even Powell. But Gobert can't do it, and it literally leads to a turnover nearly every time he tries. The Jazz have Gobert guard Josh Green, but at the other end the Mavs can literally have Josh Green guard Gobert.

Gobert is frustrated with Mitchell because Mitchell doesn't play defense and makes the Jazz play 4-on-5 defensively. Mitchell is frustrated with Gobert because Gobert can't score and often makes the Jazz play 4-on-5 on offense. I think that's why there's a rift between the two. One of these guys is going to get moved because a team can't survive with not one, but two max-level star players who only play one side of the ball. In order to accommodate these two flawed players, the Jazz would need to significantly upgrade the surrounding cast to compensate. Little Mike Conley and limited Royce O'Neale won't cut it.

I think this system approach may just be obsolete. It's virtually the same problem that Atlanta is having against Miami.
 
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NUMBERICA said:
It’s possible to play tough without cheap-shotting the smallest dude on the court. In fact, that’s the opposite of tough.
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Absolutely nothing wrong with it, sick of watching this team get manhandled and never pushing back. So Brunson had some physical pressure applied and every time he was touched he dropped like he'd been shot, so what? make the prick earn it.
 
Rubashov said:
Absolutely nothing wrong with it, sick of watching this team get manhandled and never pushing back. So Brunson had some physical pressure applied and every time he was touched he dropped like he'd been shot, so what? make the prick earn it.
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Shut up
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Shut up
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This is a team of quintessential front runners, every time they face some adversity they fold like a red hot Mars bar. How many games to you want to watch us lose to the Patrick Beverly's of the world? Cause they pick up full court, hand check and overplay the passing lanes and play until some arsehole blows a whistle? This team plays with no heart, eats **** off everybody and outright ****ing deserves to lose.
 
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