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This season will vindicate Ty Corbin

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franklin

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Obligatory thread. You cannot build an offense around non-dominant players. Prove me wrong Quin! (or Dante emerge)


Also, since Bill Simmons reads this stuff to write back patting articles to his low IQ audience -- you're an idiot Bill. If you want to ever have any credibility with the pros you'll ease up on your faux Ty hate and switch to something a tad more stimulating (like David Locke's work). I get that it's your money stream at the moment but you're making yourself out to be a joke beat writer.
 
chauncy
rip
tayshun
sheed
ben

we can do it, but everybody needs to step up and get better. that pistons team was beautiful to watch because they were so great defensively. their help D was insane. and they made you play their game. to be like them we need at least 3 borderline all stars. we are 4 years away from being similar to pistons, but of course everything has to click. exum needs to be a serious threat. trey needs to be chauncey like. our bigs need to intimidate. and we need a stretch 4 who can make 3s like sheed. and hood needs to become Rip like. make those wet mid rangers and move without the ball.

it can be done. long shot, but it can be done. we are 4 years away. let's be patient.
 
I think you're very wrong about this Franklin. I think you're pretty much the last person in the universe who still believes Corbin did a good job.
 
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Eenie-Meenie said:
Boo ... Mods, please close this thread, it's an insult to our intelligence.
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I don't think it's that unlikely. If the Jazz bomb again this year, it's going to be hard to blame everything on Corbin. Of course there will be those people who will then claim that BOTH coaches suck. My own opinion is that even though I think Corbin is mediocre at best, there is only so much you can do with what you have to work with, and I doubt even Pop could have done much with our roster last year. I'm not ready to defend Corbin to Frank's level, but in theory, I agree with the idea that Corbin has taken more than his fair share of blame of recent problems. Still glad he's gone, though.
 
freakazoid said:
I don't think it's that unlikely. If the Jazz bomb again this year, it's going to be hard to blame everything on Corbin. Of course there will be those people who will then claim that BOTH coaches suck. My own opinion is that even though I think Corbin is mediocre at best, there is only so much you can do with what you have to work with, and I doubt even Pop could have done much with our roster last year. I'm not ready to defend Corbin to Frank's level, but in theory, I agree with the idea that Corbin has taken more than his fair share of blame of recent problems. Still glad he's gone, though.
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Agree fully with all five points you made there.
 
Franklin wrote this about 9 hours ago and had his finger on the "Submit New Thread" button ever since.

Hope it felt good while the rest of us were rooting for The Jazz to win.
 
I don't think Corbin did a "good job." I think he did about as good as 80-90% of coaches would have done under the circumstances. He had the lost year where Sloan retired midway through. You could argue that year he did a bad coaching job, but most rookie coaches would in that situation. In the last 3 years he did about as good as any coach would have done. His first full season they were a playoff team, his second year they were above .500, and last year they were terrible. Maybe a few great coaches could have greatly exceeded those marks, but only a few select coaches like Pop, Larry Brown, etc... Fans often have higher expectations for their team than what is actually realistic. Corbin never had a team capable of winning a playoff series. His one year of failure was 2012-2013. That team could have made the playoffs, but many years 43-39 is good enough to make the playoffs. That roster was hardly capable of 50+ wins. For all the love Millsap and Jefferson have gotten, their teams were the 7th and 8th seeds last year in the lowly east and of course lost in the first round. Corbin hardly bombed in his 3 years. A great coach could have possibly won a few more games, but those teams easily could have lost a few more too. Nobody expected much from those Jazz teams outside a few homers in Utah.

The truth about the Jazz, is the Jazz do not have great players. There is not one guy on the team outside of maybe Exum that has potential to be a real superstar in this league, and Exum is extremely raw. I don't think Corbin was a great coach by any means, but I don't think Snyder is either. He will go as far as his players will take him similar to every other nba coaches with a few exceptions. I don't care that Corbin was replaced, but I wouldn't care if Snyder was replaced soon either. He should be the coach for a few years, but until the Jazz get better players it won't matter. The rest of the league is not fearful of Hayward and Kanter, sorry.
 
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No, NOT AT ALL.

Not until we give the 3 years chance to Quin that we gave to Corbin.
 
VoiceofSanity said:
I don't think Corbin did a "good job." I think he did about as good as 80-90% of coaches would have done under the circumstances. He had the lost year where Sloan retired midway through. You could argue that year he did a bad coaching job, but most rookie coaches would in that situation. In the last 3 years he did about as good as any coach would have done. His first full season they were a playoff team, his second year they were above .500, and last year they were terrible. Maybe a few great coaches could have greatly exceeded those marks, but only a few select coaches like Pop, Larry Brown, etc... Fans often have higher expectations for their team than what is actually realistic. Corbin never had a team capable of winning a playoff series. His one year of failure was 2012-2013. That team could have made the playoffs, but many years 43-39 is good enough to make the playoffs. That roster was hardly capable of 50+ wins. For all the love Millsap and Jefferson have gotten, their teams were the 7th and 8th seeds last year in the lowly east and of course lost in the first round. Corbin hardly bombed in his 3 years. A great coach could have possibly won a few more games, but those teams easily could have lost a few more too. Nobody expected much from those Jazz teams outside a few homers in Utah.

The truth about the Jazz, is the Jazz do not have great players. There is not one guy on the team outside of maybe Exum that has potential to be a real superstar in this league, and Exum is extremely raw. I don't think Corbin was a great coach by any means, but I don't think Snyder is either. He will go as far as his players will take him similar to every other nba coaches with a few exceptions. I don't care that Corbin was replaced, but I wouldn't care if Snyder was replaced soon either. He should be the coach for a few years, but until the Jazz get better players it won't matter. The rest of the league is not fearful of Hayward and Kanter, sorry.
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This is the voice of idiocy. Look at the difference in how the Jazz are playing. Yes, they made some bad turnovers and failed to defend the three, as the game progressed. It seemed they became a bit frazzled after they lost the lead. But they are playing so much better as a team than they did under Corbin. To make excuses for Corbin is being as blind as Franklin has been the last few years. So, the Jazz lose one game and now Snyder is no better than Corbin. Man, you are a total idiot.
 
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Thread is bookmarked. Will bump after 30 wins.
Of course, I expect the OP to just change the argument at that point and say the roster is better for Quin than it was for Ty.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
This is the voice of idiocy. Look at the difference in how the Jazz are playing. Yes, they made some bad turnovers and failed to defend the three, as the game progressed. It seemed they became a bit frazzled after they lost the lead. But they are playing so much better as a team than they did under Corbin. To make excuses for Corbin is being as blind as Franklin has been the last few years. So, the Jazz lose one game and now Snyder is no better than Corbin. Man, you are a total idiot.
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So if the Jazz win less than 30, are fans really going to pull the moral victory card? Doubt it. Also, I'm not going to neg your response to VOS, but I really should. At this point, you might just be overreacting to the fact that Frank has kinda trolled this board in the past with this subject. If you truly think VOS is an idiot, I'd like to see you respond point to point to his last post, which for the most part, I thought was pretty spot on.
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As for Snyder, I think it's too soon to be making judgement calls. However, I will say that even if he doesn't win more than 30, it won't prove much to me, as I also tend to believe that most fans overestimate the influence most coaches have on win/loss record.
 
VINYLONE said:
Ok. Set your parameters. How will we gauge this?
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Good point, as usual.

The baseline is "Jazz will be this year's Suns if they have a good coach like Hornacek". That's been the vocal expectation for a year and a half now. It's been laughable but let's accept it that's where we are at as a fan base.

48 wins. That's the parameter.
 
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