Exactly. Hell, Kemba shot 33% from collegiate 3. Defenses will play off of him, let him run around in circles all night killing any offensive flow, then just swat his shot.
Thoughts watching the NBA Finals...
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Exactly. Hell, Kemba shot 33% from collegiate 3. Defenses will play off of him, let him run around in circles all night killing any offensive flow, then just swat his shot.
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This right here.
mellow
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My thoughts on watching the finals....
I hate Sterns NBA.
Jazz have a long rebuilding process
Heat are going to dominate for years, especially when the new CBA discourages the assemblage of Super Friends.
Heat will change NBA like Piston Bad Boys or Shaq.
Jazz better learn to shoot a corner 3.
Jazz need to be able to put 3 or 4 3pt shooters on the floor at all times.
Is there a place in the league for AK type players (wings without high % 3pt)
HEat fans are annoying.
LeBron's ego was barely tolerable before, what if he wins the championship......
I hate Sterns NBA.
Jazz have a long rebuilding process
Heat are going to dominate for years, especially when the new CBA discourages the assemblage of Super Friends.
Heat will change NBA like Piston Bad Boys or Shaq.
Jazz better learn to shoot a corner 3.
Jazz need to be able to put 3 or 4 3pt shooters on the floor at all times.
Is there a place in the league for AK type players (wings without high % 3pt)
HEat fans are annoying.
LeBron's ego was barely tolerable before, what if he wins the championship......
JohnStockalypse
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framer
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The San Antonio Spurs were never stocked to the brim with elite athletes. They had people who could play defense and put the ball into the hole. If "thouroghbred" athletes were what was always needed, Golden State would have a championship or two. Oklahoma City would have beat Dallas.
What you need are:
1. At least two players that demand a doubleteam, at least one should be a big (interestingly I can't think of many teams that had two bigs like this. I suspect this is why many like Kanter paired with Favors. That has a chance to be epic.)
2. Wings that make the opponent pay for the doubleteam. Preferably every wing should be a threat if left open. You may get away with one who is not a good to decent three point shooter (Kiri with Brewer was a disaster. I'm through with drafting wings that are questionable shooters, no matter how good their defense is. Fricken' people at the YMCA can be deadeye shooters, is it too much to ask the people making millions to hit their shots if left open?)
3. The ability to shut down traffic to the front of the rim (Malone and company could, Boozer and company couldn't.)
4. A system and players that is able to deliver the ball to open shooters (Kobe and Shaq could never get past the Jazz until Shaq learned how pass out of the post doubleteam.)
5. A bench that doesn't get embarrassed.
6. Someone who can get a bucket when needed despite a doubleteam (this is the type of person you pick with the #3 pick.)
When the Jazz have all of this, they do very, very well. When they miss out on one or two, they don't look so good.
What you need are:
1. At least two players that demand a doubleteam, at least one should be a big (interestingly I can't think of many teams that had two bigs like this. I suspect this is why many like Kanter paired with Favors. That has a chance to be epic.)
2. Wings that make the opponent pay for the doubleteam. Preferably every wing should be a threat if left open. You may get away with one who is not a good to decent three point shooter (Kiri with Brewer was a disaster. I'm through with drafting wings that are questionable shooters, no matter how good their defense is. Fricken' people at the YMCA can be deadeye shooters, is it too much to ask the people making millions to hit their shots if left open?)
3. The ability to shut down traffic to the front of the rim (Malone and company could, Boozer and company couldn't.)
4. A system and players that is able to deliver the ball to open shooters (Kobe and Shaq could never get past the Jazz until Shaq learned how pass out of the post doubleteam.)
5. A bench that doesn't get embarrassed.
6. Someone who can get a bucket when needed despite a doubleteam (this is the type of person you pick with the #3 pick.)
When the Jazz have all of this, they do very, very well. When they miss out on one or two, they don't look so good.
The Thriller
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Key to this series is Peja, JJ Barea, and Terry (and the refs calling the game just decently close. I mean, that foul on Dirk was just pathetic. And calling every little touch on Chandler is frustrating).
They played like dump.
And the Mavs lost.
If Terry scores in the 2nd half, JJ makes a layup or two, and Peja makes just half of his wide open 30's, the Mavs win last night.
They played like dump.
And the Mavs lost.
If Terry scores in the 2nd half, JJ makes a layup or two, and Peja makes just half of his wide open 30's, the Mavs win last night.
vslice02
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I think you make an excellent point - kind of like what I refer to as the Korver-dilemna of "Is it worth having a player who gives you the perimeter shooting you desperately need against 25 teams, but is a complete liability when you're facing elite teams like the Lakers and Heat?"
On one hand, you need elite athletes to match up with Miami - on the other hand if you make all your decisions trying to match up with the Heat athletically, you may end up with alot of good athletes who aren't good players - and it's hard to beat the Heat if you can't beat average/below average teams to make the playoffs first.
I think you can succeed with a few role players who aren't great athletes so I wouldn't stay away from those guys entirely - but the Heat are definitely showing how much defensive success you can have with bigs who are mobile enough to show/recover and wings who are interchangeable and can fly all over the court - and that's yet another reason why I don't want Utah to draft Jimmer.
On one hand, you need elite athletes to match up with Miami - on the other hand if you make all your decisions trying to match up with the Heat athletically, you may end up with alot of good athletes who aren't good players - and it's hard to beat the Heat if you can't beat average/below average teams to make the playoffs first.
I think you can succeed with a few role players who aren't great athletes so I wouldn't stay away from those guys entirely - but the Heat are definitely showing how much defensive success you can have with bigs who are mobile enough to show/recover and wings who are interchangeable and can fly all over the court - and that's yet another reason why I don't want Utah to draft Jimmer.
So did Dominique Wilkins and Jason Richardson. IMO that's a non-issue.
Meh, it was one game. I think the key is the Mavs have to have a lead going into the late 4th. James and Wade have shown they explode in the late 4th and the refs will do anything (or not do anything) to allow that explosion occur.
sahlensguy
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It's not all about the superstars ya know.
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Beantown
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One of the most winning teams and champions in the last 10 years.. the San Antontio Spurs disagree with this thread.
As do I.
Its about defense, you need a team to play team defense and be able to play REALLY good defense in the 4th quarter and clamp down on a team.
Also dont forget Miami tied a record 11 NBA three pointers for a Finals game. Shooting helps....ALOT.
As do I.
Its about defense, you need a team to play team defense and be able to play REALLY good defense in the 4th quarter and clamp down on a team.
Also dont forget Miami tied a record 11 NBA three pointers for a Finals game. Shooting helps....ALOT.
The NBA Finals record is only 11 3's? No way
LunaticWolf
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Miami is going to hit the Boston effect.
Great your first year, then only good after. They won't look as good once teams figure out how they can defend them.
Great your first year, then only good after. They won't look as good once teams figure out how they can defend them.
vslice02
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Figuring out how to defend LeBron and Wade is easier said than done, but the Heat are winning now because of their defense. As of now, "figuring out" how to score on Miami down the stretch is the tougher challenge.
Doubtful. A fully healthy Mike Miller and Udonis Haslem will make them better.
I haven't really seen anyone struggle to guard Lebron and Wade thus far. It's when the late 4th comes in and they just go off. It's not like they are out there being unstoppable the whole game.
In addition to that Wade, James, and Bosh aren't that old. In addition to all of the MLE free agents they're going to acquire annually (provided such a provision exists in the future).
The Heat are going to be perennially in the finals. Orlando's rotting, Chicago's not going to suddenly get wing play worth a damn, and Boston is fooling themselves.
Beantown
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Not to mention that nasty Boozer contract will limit the Bulls for the next 4 years.
The Thriller
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Couldn't disagree more.
Boston was old. KG, Ray Allen , and PP were all seasoned vets who had a ton of mileage. Miami's big 3 are all very young. Oh and Miami is an attractive big market which has a very favorable tax system. Miami is going to be scary for the next 5+ years
jimmy eat jazz
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While I expect the Heat to win the series, I think you're closing the door too soon on the Mavs. The game could easily have gone the other way last night; I'd say Miami was a far cry from dominating.
You're never going to get a team made up of thoroughbred athletes. Successful teams are a combination of superstars, all-stars (or high quality players), and role players. It's a long stretch to say that outside of James and Wade, Miami is a bunch of thoroughbreds. Bosh is an All-star, but not a superstar. Miller and Haslem are good role players. The rest, meh, easily replaced.
While I think it definitely the goal to get a superstar, or at least all-star quality player, at #3, odds say you won't get this at #12. A solid rotation player is a reasonable expectation there. Keep in mind, that who you get at #12 is as likely to be matched up against the opponent's second team than against James and Wade, in which case, Jimmer may in fact be a good pick there. (I'm not advocating for Jimmer.)
Unfortunately, the odds are that the Jazz, and 80% or more of the other teams in the league, won't have a legit shot to compete for the Championship against the superstar-led juggernauts like the Heat, but that's pretty much the way's its always been in the NBA. Of all the major professional leagues, it's the one with the least amount of parity. They can, however, field a competitive and quality team that fans can rally around. (Unlike others, while I'd really like to win the championship, I'm not obsessed with it. I don't see it as necessary to validate the team or my support of it or to enjoy being a fan.)
It was Game 1 on Miami's court. The Mavs can still win the series.
One hopes that their model still works -- that you can win a ring with just one superstar plus lots of depth. That's still more doable for most teams, including the Jazz, than being that one team that signed/re-signed the top three free agents, two superstars and a star, of a particularly strong offseason.
One hopes that their model still works -- that you can win a ring with just one superstar plus lots of depth. That's still more doable for most teams, including the Jazz, than being that one team that signed/re-signed the top three free agents, two superstars and a star, of a particularly strong offseason.