Time to get rid of the embarrassment that is Mike Lee

[oneye]

Might as well start this campaign to oust Mike Lee now. He has two reasonable Republicans primarying him. Mike Lee is one of the biggest embarrassments this state has ever had, and does absolutely nothing to benefit the state as a Senator. The Republican primary is the best shot at ousting him from the Senate.

His two most prominent challengers are Becky Edwards and Ally Isom. Here are their campaign pages:

Ally For Utah

The voice Utah needs. The action Utah deserves.

allyforutah.com

Becky Edwards for Congress | Commitment to Utah

Becky Edwards is committed to serving Utah's Second Congressional District. Public service, Utah values, America's future.

beckyforutah.com

It will be interesting to see which one gives him a better fight during the Republican primary. This is a reminder you also have to be a registered Republican to vote in the Republican primary in Utah. The deadline to do so to get in on this primary election is March, 2022. Change your affiliation, get friends to register and vote, get everyone you know to register and vote and get Mike Lee out of here next spring during the primary. You can always switch your affiliation back after and vote for whoever you want in November, but the primary is the biggest chance to oust Lee. I have plenty of disagreements with Edwards and Isom but they are both much more moderate and worlds better than the embarrassment that is Mike Lee. We should all be doing all we can to get him out of the Senate.

 

[Gameface]

I've heard enthusiastic support for Mike Lee and I have to kind of do a double-take and ask "This Mike Lee, like 'Mike Lee' Mike Lee?"

I certainly don't see what anyone could find appealing about him. He's been one of Trump's little *!^#& *** sniffers with no backbone at all.

 

[oneye]

I've heard enthusiastic support for Mike Lee and I have to kind of do a double-take and ask "This Mike Lee, like 'Mike Lee' Mike Lee?"

I certainly don't see what anyone could find appealing about him. He's been one of Trump's little *!^#& *** sniffers with no backbone at all.

Edwards and Isom have some notoriety. It’s going to an uphill battle but everyone who realizes the POS Lee is should be trying to get him out this next primary. He for sure has the rabid Republican base locked up, but I’m hoping one of these two can make it a race.

 

[infection]

It always surprises people, but I heard Don is a huge Mike Lee supporter. It's the only thing he likes about Utah.

 

[The Thriller]

Lots of Utah's richest really like Mike Lee. He helped ram through the big tax cut in 2017 and has never met a regulation he didn't want to shred.

 

[oneye]

Lots of Utah's highest really like Mike Lee. He helped ram through the big tax cut in 2017 and has never met a regulation he didn't want to shred.

Some maybe, but there’s a bit of a shift among some as well. It’ll be very difficult to primary him, because he has a pretty solid 30-35% base of the party who unabashedly love him. Edwards and Isom are still conservative, but they don’t push forward the kind of rhetoric Lee does. Kind of like Cox. Edwards probably has the better chance IMO, but we shall see. What you almost need to really make it interesting is a really extreme right candidate to jump in and take from the base to water down the vote.

 

[The Thriller]

Some maybe, but there’s a bit of a shift among some as well. It’ll be very difficult to primary him, because he has a pretty solid 30-35% base of the party who unabashedly love him. Edwards and Isom are still conservative, but they don’t push forward the kind of rhetoric Lee does. Kind of like Cox. Edwards probably has the better chance IMO, but we shall see. What you almost need to really make it interesting is a really extreme right candidate to jump in and take from the base to water down the vote.

For Republicans, the more offensive end inflammatory, most often wins in primaries. I don’t see Lee being any different. Like you said, you need someone to the right of Lee for the moderate candidates to have a chance. Finding someone to the right of Lee could be difficult. But if you can find a mormon to the right of Lee, then you might have a chance to knock him out.

I wish anti Lee forces were better organized. They might be able to de-throne him if they got organized with a far right candidate.

 

[oneye]

For Republicans, the more offensive end inflammatory, most often wins in primaries. I don’t see Lee being any different. Like you said, you need someone to the right of Lee for the moderate candidates to have a chance. Finding someone to the right of Lee could be difficult. But if you can find a mormon to the right of Lee, then you might have a chance to knock him out.

I wish anti Lee forces were better organized. They might be able to de-throne him if they got organized with a far right candidate.

I think if everyone could vote in primaries it would be somewhat easy to oust Lee. The issue as we’ve discussed is he has that rabbis Republican base during the primaries and it’s hard to overcome that if Independents, unaffiliated (even Democrats) don’t register as Republican for the primary and vote for one of the other candidates. Lee hovers at below 50% approval rating when the entire population is polled, but once he breaks through the primary he gets lot of automatic R votes.

As far as Lee’s support I noticed Steve Starks posted this recently



I do think there are some heavy hitter business folks in the state who would take Isom or Edwards over Lee, but yeah, it’ll be an uphill battle and you need people to switch over during the primaries and make a concerted effort to get rid of him.

 

[babe]

I've heard enthusiastic support for Mike Lee and I have to kind of do a double-take and ask "This Mike Lee, like 'Mike Lee' Mike Lee?"

I certainly don't see what anyone could find appealing about him. He's been one of Trump's little *!^#& *** sniffers with no backbone at all.

He came in on the conservative wing, and talks conservative. I question those "bona fides" and believe more likely he's milking bankers and big tech support now. Clearly, he has his eye on bigger things, imo. He's really a centrist, born and raised in DC,. He wants to be Pres.

But I'll vote for him over either of the above candidates.

Thought of running myself.

But I'm not a real Republican, just a third party outsider. Couldn't win as dogcatcher.

 

[fishonjazz]

Lee lost me when he compared trump to Moroni


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[oneye]

He came in on the conservative wing, and talks conservative. I question those "bona fides" and believe more likely he's milking bankers and big tech support now. Clearly, he has his eye on bigger things, imo. He's really a centrist, born and raised in DC,. He wants to be Pres.

But I'll vote for him over either of the above candidates.

Thought of running myself.

But I'm not a real Republican, just a third party outsider. Couldn't win as dogcatcher.

Lee a centrist? L O L. Mike Lee is a grifter, extremist, liar and Trump *** kisser.

 

[oneye]

Lee lost me when he compared trump to Moroni


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It got to a point it was wild to watch him change from a “never Trump” to what he did. Truly a disgusting transformation.

 

[Getting Traded]

He's freakin LDS like all the politicians here -- Mormons vote for anyone who is LDS, simple as that. And he is pathetic, maybe even worse than Trump, a freakin weasel.

 

[oneye]

He's freakin LDS like all the politicians here -- Mormons vote for anyone who is LDS, simple as that. And he is pathetic, maybe even worse than Trump, a freakin weasel.

Well the other 2 candidates running against him are Republican and LDS, so they have that going for them. The Isom lady was even the LDS church spokesperson for a time. She left the party over Trump, she is running as a Republican though. Edwards is a moderate Republican. Both are far better options than Lee.

 

[Getting Traded]

Well the other 2 candidates running against him are Republican and LDS, so they have that going for them. The Isom lady was even the LDS church spokesperson for a time. She left the party over Trump, she is running as a Republican though. Edwards is a moderate Republican. Both are far better options than Lee.

Hell, even you would be better than Pinky Lee.

 

[The Thriller]

Well the other 2 candidates running against him are Republican and LDS, so they have that going for them. The Isom lady was even the LDS church spokesperson for a time. She left the party over Trump, she is running as a Republican though. Edwards is a moderate Republican. Both are far better options than Lee.

Caucus goers are usually your most partisan, angry, rabid animals. It’s going to be a tough go for these mormon women. Especially since you gotta figure sex is going to be a huge advantage. Most (Utah) mormons probably don’t believe a woman should work outside of the home.

 

[babe]

Lee a centrist? L O L. Mike Lee is a grifter, extremist, liar and Trump *** kisser.

Mike Lee is a "centrist". At CPAC Dallas he was visible following Ted Cruz around. Ted Cruz is a "centrist" too. Both are lawyers with notions of US Constitutional Supremacy. That is what being a "centrist" in the USA means. That is antithetical to extreme right wing "nationalist" or"racial" or"corporate" dominance of our politics, with an idea of rule of law that includes the US Constitution as most Americans expect. Trump is a "centrist": too. Most Union workers are "centrists" as well.

Marxists and Fascists are not "centrists". Used to be that the "Chamber of Commerce" sort of Republicans and the general pro-people Democrats were all centists.

People who want to overthrow this system and replace it with Communism however relabeled or reconceived, and Fascists who want to ditch the US Constitutional concepts of human rights in favor of a "better world" under centralized authoritarian rule are not "centrists".

However, it appears that the rhetoric is changing, always, under ideological or agenda pressures. I used the term "centrist" on Lee in an actually disparaging way because of his being influenced by today's (and the last 50 years') Waswhington DC establishment, by big bank interests, by big tech interests, and by CFR indoctrination, and by Chief Justice Roberts and other pretend conservatives. He's a globalist like the Bush club, and like the LDS Church.

These trends in thought do not absolutely refer to the US Constitution or the innate human individual rights once protected by the US Constitution.

I offer a better view of the world that is not a wholly-owned subsidiary of any cohesive "interests" financial or ideological. My grandfather despised Republicans as being owned by special interests/business, worked for the Democrats as the means of upholding citizen interests. Bill Clinton betrayed that kind of "Democrat" and sold out to the Rockefeller interests and plans.

Republicans generally the "Party of Lincoln" betrayed Lincoln's ideals within minutes of his assassination. While the "Democrats" are reputed to have been "pro-slavery" there was also a notion of federalism, meaning decentralized power with local governments having the highest possible power. Most of the the support for the south during the Civil War was manipulated by British interests into a po-slavery single issue, while in the North the same foreign intersts manipulated the abolitionist cause. The intent was to break up the United States and then limit growth westward by taking the Mississippi into British control, and break off the states one by one and reassert British management.

What did happen was a financial takeover by British finance and progressive ideology. The CFR today is very much compliant with British globalist interests. It's literally the modern British form of Empire.

Russia and China have some thoughts about asserting "better management" but largely, today's politicis is a qeuistion of who's gonna handle the British lion.

People like Cruz and Lee are stooges for the way things are. Trump is just accidentally more of old-time American democrat, being himself most of all. He is a direct threat to "the way things are" but he has found a very strong political base in American values largely held by common Americans.

The problem with Trump is he's his own man.

 

[babe]

Caucus goers are usually your most partisan, angry, rabid animals. It’s going to be a tough go for these mormon women. Especially since you gotta figure sex is going to be a huge advantage. Most (Utah) mormons probably don’t believe a woman should work outside of the home.

laughable

Under support from Gayle Miller and Zion's Bank Pres Anderson, the rules were changed to take the guts out of Republican caucus importance. What is needed to get the R nomination is campaign cash.

Lee has the LDS support from the top, and the campaign cash.

LDS women, like Mia Love, do what they want. But nobody today can get the R spot on the ballot without top-down support, largely CFR more than LDS. In SLC, they are pretty much one and the same..

 

[oneye]

Mike Lee is a "centrist". At CPAC Dallas he was visible following Ted Cruz around. Ted Cruz is a "centrist" too. Both are lawyers with notions of US Constitutional Supremacy. That is what being a "centrist" in the USA means. That is antithetical to extreme right wing "nationalist" or"racial" or"corporate" dominance of our politics, with an idea of rule of law that includes the US Constitution as most Americans expect. Trump is a "centrist": too. Most Union workers are "centrists" as well.

Marxists and Fascists are not "centrists". Used to be that the "Chamber of Commerce" sort of Republicans and the general pro-people Democrats were all centists.

People who want to overthrow this system and replace it with Communism however relabeled or reconceived, and Fascists who want to ditch the US Constitutional concepts of human rights in favor of a "better world" under centralized authoritarian rule are not "centrists".

However, it appears that the rhetoric is changing, always, under ideological or agenda pressures. I used the term "centrist" on Lee in an actually disparaging way because of his being influenced by today's (and the last 50 years') Waswhington DC establishment, by big bank interests, by big tech interests, and by CFR indoctrination, and by Chief Justice Roberts and other pretend conservatives. He's a globalist like the Bush club, and like the LDS Church.

These trends in thought do not absolutely refer to the US Constitution or the innate human individual rights once protected by the US Constitution.

I offer a better view of the world that is not a wholly-owned subsidiary of any cohesive "interests" financial or ideological. My grandfather despised Republicans as being owned by special interests/business, worked for the Democrats as the means of upholding citizen interests. Bill Clinton betrayed that kind of "Democrat" and sold out to the Rockefeller interests and plans.

Republicans generally the "Party of Lincoln" betrayed Lincoln's ideals within minutes of his assassination. While the "Democrats" are reputed to have been "pro-slavery" there was also a notion of federalism, meaning decentralized power with local governments having the highest possible power. Most of the the support for the south during the Civil War was manipulated by British interests into a po-slavery single issue, while in the North the same foreign intersts manipulated the abolitionist cause. The intent was to break up the United States and then limit growth westward by taking the Mississippi into British control, and break off the states one by one and reassert British management.

What did happen was a financial takeover by British finance and progressive ideology. The CFR today is very much compliant with British globalist interests. It's literally the modern British form of Empire.

Russia and China have some thoughts about asserting "better management" but largely, today's politicis is a qeuistion of who's gonna handle the British lion.

People like Cruz and Lee are stooges for the way things are. Trump is just accidentally more of old-time American democrat, being himself most of all. He is a direct threat to "the way things are" but he has found a very strong political base in American values largely held by common Americans.

The problem with Trump is he's his own man.

Lol. Yeah, no. If you think Lee is a centrist you’re up in the night. His garbage votes speak for themselves.

 

[babe]

Lol. Yeah, no. If you think Lee is a centrist you’re up in the night. His garbage votes speak for themselves.

`Not your privilege to create a language of your own. No political agenda wonk has that kind of tyranny, really. I suppose your idea of a "centrist" has more to do with Lee being on the earth rather than the center of the sun.

what people think might give you some support, but here in Utah Lee doesn't rock so many boats as you might think. You are of course imagining that a socialist revolution is the definition of of a "centrist' today.

Who are you to speak of garbage. You give nothing to support your analysis/. Red at least quotes the wholly-owned media and some college fakes who write crap pulled outta their asses,.

So I know the game here, and generally I see no hope of actually moving anyone at all. That is the nature of things when even intelligent human beings check their conscience at the door and embrace a political ideology to the extent of becoming a political activists, or believer. It's like a religion. It's like you have someone telling you what to think.

I gave a sort of breakdown of the way I figure Mike Lee to be a centrist. Lee was a devoted Republican after he beat Bennet out in the old Caucus nomination system. He moved from expressing conservative things towards the center to win the general. Almost all RINO republicans do that. He holds "town meetings" on public forums where he listens to people and mostly gushingly agrees with whatever they say. Rarely he dabbles in principles he has pulled outta his take on the Constitution.

Ted Cruz has to say more conservative stuff to satisfy his constituents, but means them less than Lee does. Neither would have done a tenth of what Trump did to rock the boat.

From a popular or general public take on what is "centrist", here's a few things I think over 70% of Americans want......Less obnoxious regulations, less central government or any government power of their business or their lives, less wonk or propaganda in education, less gtobalism, more America First. Most Americans want a good border system that doesn't feed the gangs/cartels working the crossings. Control of drugs and human trafficking. Verifiable modes of voting in elections. Freedom for democrat house members and senate members to vote the interesrts of the home folks,m less party pressure, more reason,.

Whatever else you can say about Trump, he did a lot that most Americans approve of, and it's gonna cost a hellava lot of moolah for the "interests' to keep buying the elections.

Democrats are gonna be talking the good old talk, but of course without meaning it. People are tired of being lied to by media news, politicians and fake "scienctists" like Fauci. Dems are losing their base. Their minds went a while ago with the agenda crap.