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Time to Tank

Who’s with me on the tank?!

  • Yes

    Votes: 18 35.3%

  • No

    Votes: 33 64.7%
  • Total voters
    51
Gonna be hard to sign Brown because he isn’t a free agent until 2020.
 
I think Favs was signed as a placeholder and trade asset that might workout long term. Based on other signings and picks I think it’s clear it likely isn’t a long term partnership. DL knows all the lineup data and then some so he knows how could we are with stretch 4s.

I think we poke around some stuff in trades but then look at some of the B+/ A- free agents. Zach Lowe basically said we are looking arhat tier of player... Middleton, Harris, Niko

We can place calls to the super duper stars (and we likely will) but I doubt that call gets very far and that’s the end of it.

If OP Jr., Tobias Harris, Middleton (I highly doubt this one), or Love become available at a decent/discounted price then I can see us being more aggressive.

Give the current arrangement 4-6 weeks... let the sauce marinate.
 
LoPo said:
Thought he was restricted this summer. Maybe not

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Not yet... it’s year 3. He’s very good early on that rookie deal.

Could go after Rozier but I’m not sold on Scary Terry.
 
Or we trade Favors and Burks to Charlotte at the deadline for Marvin Williams, Kidd-Gilchrist and a good pick. They pretty much have the same contracts but one year more. Marvin and MKG might actually fit.

Go crazy in 2020 free agency (Marvin, MKG, and Crowder all come off).

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BTW @LoPo i hope you are ready for trade season... our roster is the trade machines best friend... so many expiring contracts of varying sizes... we can make almost any trade match salaries easily. We may have to have a separate site setup for discussions or expand the server size.
 
LoPo said:
Or we trade Favors and Burks to Charlotte at the deadline for Marvin Williams, Kidd-Gilchrist and a good pick. They pretty much have the same contracts but one year more. Marvin and MKG might actually fit.

Go crazy in 2020 free agency (Marvin, MKG, and Crowder all come off).

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I’m not ready yet but see my post above... you are gonna have some options to put in the machine.
 
LoPo said:
Or we trade Favors and Burks to Charlotte at the deadline for Marvin Williams, Kidd-Gilchrist and a good pick. They pretty much have the same contracts but one year more. Marvin and MKG might actually fit.

Go crazy in 2020 free agency (Marvin, MKG, and Crowder all come off).

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I don’t think we do a trade like this until after we’ve talked to free agents this offseason... with FA you need a couple chances to get a guy.
 
LoPo said:
We just need to let Burks, Favors, and Rubio walk next summer. Then we sign Jaylen Brown to a max deal. If Boston matches on Brown, sign Rozier (low key make Donovan happy move). If Boston matches there, try Middleton, Durant, Klay, Kawhi, Tobias Harris, Mirotic.

If we get nobody, so be it. I like our team even without Rubio, Favors and Burks if everyone keeps developing.

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I finally found a trade of yours that would
Work and that is Rozier. Boston dif will trade him and I think it's a case he would want to come because he wants to play and not be on the bench like in Boston. I even like the pairing bball wise Mitchell and maybe Donovan can sell him on Utah. So pat yourself on the back for finally coming up with a great trade idea. Not only that but you move into being one of the better trade ideas on the whole site.congrats.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I’m on board with this but only as a reverse jinx... once I jumped on the tank last year we started winning.
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You can't say that or it reverts back to a regular jinx! Everybody knows that! Oh you idiot!
 
Knowledgeofmine said:
I finally found a trade of yours that would
Work and that is Rozier. Boston dif will trade him and I think it's a case he would want to come because he wants to play and not be on the bench like in Boston. I even like the pairing bball wise Mitchell and maybe Donovan can sell him on Utah. So pat yourself on the back for finally coming up with a great trade idea. Not only that but you move into being one of the better trade ideas on the whole site.congrats.
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I like the idea of Rozier, but I don't think we have what Boston wants in a trade. They don't have an albatross contract they want to move (unless it's Hayward lol). So our expirings don't have much value to Boston. I don't think they would want a 1st in place of Rozier since Rozier helps them win right now.

I think Rozier is a target for the summer should Rubio not pan out.
 
LogGrad98 said:
You can't say that or it reverts back to a regular jinx! Everybody knows that! Oh you idiot!
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The Jazz need to straight tank... rebuild... deez guys is bums.
 
One low key situation to monitor is Washington. Not only are they in the luxury again this year, but they are going to try to keep Oubre and probably Satoransky this coming summer. Here are two scenarios to monitor:

Otto Porter (less likely) - if made available, we could make a play for him. We could send a pick and take Mahinmi off their hands depending who all we send out.

Mahinmi - sure, he is worthless but his contract is almost exactly like Favors just one more year. His deal will keep Washington from keeping their core. If Washington could trade worthless Mahinmi for helpful expiring Favors, I bet we could get Troy Brown and a 1st, future pick swaps, something. Its a deal that wouldn't sacrifice 2020 cap space when there are more realistic, better fit targets out there.

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LoPo said:
One low key situation to monitor is Washington. Not only are they in the luxury again this year, but they are going to try to keep Oubre and probably Satoransky this coming summer. Here are two scenarios to monitor:

Otto Porter (less likely) - if made available, we could make a play for him. We could send a pick and take Mahinmi off their hands depending who all we send out.

Mahinmi - sure, he is worthless but his contract is almost exactly like Favors just one more year. His deal will keep Washington from keeping their core. If Washington could trade worthless Mahinmi for helpful expiring Favors, I bet we could get Troy Brown and a 1st, future pick swaps, something. Its a deal that wouldn't sacrifice 2020 cap space when there are more realistic, better fit targets out there.

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I think its OP or nothing for us... but that is a situation I'm watching (not low key... I'm watching the eff out of it).

Projecting things out this summer... there is a lot of cap space and some star free agents, then some very good player FAs. I think guys like Harris, Middleton, and maybe Niko will get the max or close to it. I think 10 teams will end up having max spots (some may have multiple spots) and then some guys will return to their current teams... which means those max spots can move further down the list. You also have dumb teams with money... like NY and Phoenix. Next year's market may get a little hot, but if we offer max we have a real shot to lure Harris or Niko because we can offer a big role on a contender. Middleton and Niko may depend on their teams willingness to go the max and if their stars are looking like the will stay. If Giannis and AD sign extensions or indicate they are very likely to stick around I would think those guys stay put if the money is similar.

I think some will be shocked at what those guys get if healthy.
 
Just looked at something... Khris Middleton and Tobias Harris are both eligible for the second tier of max contract... so 30% of the cap... which can start at roughly $32M. Not sure either team is willing to go there with those guys... I'm not sure we are either but I definitely would with Middleton. If Milwaukee went there they'd either have to let Brogdon and Bledsoe both walk or be in the tax with their team.

It seems shocking but that is the kind of price you may have to pay for FAs. DM and Ingles on bargain deals... Rudy at the smaller max makes it possible to overpay a little. Paying that for one of those guys does likely mean one of Dante or Ricky are gone.
 
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