To Those That Attack Me For My Beliefs

[Hotdog]

Let's say there is God. Where did it come from?

The only way to realistically look at it in my opinion is we have no idea what is in charge, where it came from and how it relates to us. No one knows or ever will.

And to think there is a God looking out for us is ridiculous IMO. I'm perfectly fine with not knowing and not making something up to act like I know.

We mean nothing. We are a infinitesimally tiny pimple on the *** of the universe. And there are probably other str8lines, Fish's, Jazzta's, Gameface's, NPC's etc. somewhere in the universe having this same conversation right now.

Part of the problem may be trying to comprehend it in the first place. It may be impossible. Maybe the human mind has limits, and thats one of them.

I mean asking the question of where did the universe come from is the same as asking where did god come from isnt it? At least they are very similar.

 

[Gameface]

I think Fish has made the most interesting point here.

How do you know there isnt an invisible unicorn in your living room in another dimension?

If you pay any attention to scientists, most believe that the universe is infinite, there are quite possibly other dimensions, other universes inside black holes, an infinite number possibilities, multiple versions of yourself and yourlife. And that time travel is probably possible. You also got quantum mechanics and all its craziness. We can communicate through airwaves, etc..

But ya @Gameface . The possibility of a god is just so far fetched. We are pretty much watching a magic show right in front of our eyes and you seem to think its just normal and no bid deal.

You dont have the slightest clue wtf is happening. Neither do I. Claiming you know there isnt a god is just as dumb as claiming you know there isnt. Maybe god really exists if you believe it does and it really doesnt if you dont believe. It could really be that weird.

If all the smartest people in the world havent figured out quite what the hell is going on, then I seriously doubt that you have.

How is the idea of there being a god any weirder and more far fetched than the idea of a multiverse and different dimensions and different versions of yourself?

I don't have to know anything.

When a positive claim is made it is up to the person making that claim to substantiate it.

If the claim is not supported it doesn't merit consideration.

The end.

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[Hotdog]

I don't have to know anything.

When a positive claim is made it is up to the person making that claim to substantiate it.

If the claim is not supported it doesn't merit consideration.

The end.

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In this case this is the exception.

The End

 

[Gameface]

In this case this is the exception.

The End

The exception to what?

God is exempt from the burden of proof?

Lol, the snake oil sales tactics of religion at it again?

 

[Hotdog]

The exception to what?

God is exempt from the burden of proof?

Lol, the snake oil sales tactics of religion at it again?

Do you believe in love?

 

[Gameface]

Do you believe in love?

Sure, definitions may vary, it is a very ambiguous term.

 

[Hotdog]

Sure, definitions may vary, it is a very ambiguous term.

Prove that its real.

 

[Stoked]

lmfao, when it comes to religion to one owes the burden of proof to anyone else. For or against it.

If you believe, cool. If you don’t, that’s cool too. What a worthless argument lol.

Prove it!

No! You prove it!

Lmfao

 

[Gameface]

Prove that its real.

Define what I'm proving is real. I said definitions may very and it's an ambiguous term for a reason.

 

[Gameface]

lmfao, when it comes to religion to one owes the burden of proof to anyone else. For or against it.

If you believe, cool. If you don’t, that’s cool too. What a worthless argument lol.

Prove it!

No! You prove it!

Lmfao

Anyone making a positive claim has the burden of proof.

You're perfectly free to believe something without proof or substantiation. That has nothing to do with my point.

The point is that to be an Atheist I do not need to have proof that God doesn't exist. I don't need to make an assertion of any kind. I don't need to have any special knowledge or insight at all. I only need to demand credibility to the claim before giving it meaningful consideration. Lacking that, I'm an atheist.

Me being an Atheist isn't me telling Theists that they are wrong.

 

[Gameface]

lmfao, when it comes to religion to one owes the burden of proof to anyone else. For or against it.

If you believe, cool. If you don’t, that’s cool too. What a worthless argument lol.

Prove it!

No! You prove it!

Lmfao

And by the way, this is an incredibly well explored concept. This is not my argument. This is a very universal concept.

 

[LogGrad98]

Why and how the universe even exists are very interesting questions with no answer. What came before the big bang? Where did essentially infinite matter come from in the first place? The origins of the universe are perplexing in the extreme to say the least. I don't find it that far-fetched that some being exists outside of all that who might exert some influence in some way. I also do not discount the possibility that God as we know it is simply an extremely advanced alien and we interpreted it wrong, or maybe interpreted it fully as the alien intended. Something else we cannot really explain is consciousness itself. What exactly ends with death? Hell what is life in the first place? Lots of unanswered and unanswerable questions really. I'm with @Stoked on this one. Believe (or don't) and let believe.

 

[One Brow]

Is there a difference between not believing in the existence of a god and full on denying it? I thought agnosticism was the biggest I don't know.

Is there a difference between not believing in the existence of black swans and full-on denying they exist?

 

[LogGrad98]

Is there a difference between not believing in the existence of black swans and full-on denying they exist?

I have no idea what that has to do with asking about the spectrum been militant belief and militant non-belief. I was under the impression that agnosticism was the middle ground or the "I don't know" point along that spectrum. But as with any system of belief it is indeed a spectrum so each person will define their belief differently. I just thought that people who identify as "atheist" tended toward claiming "there is no God" more than "I don't know". So I was trying to clarify.

 

[Gameface]

Why and how the universe even exists are very interesting questions with no answer. What came before the big bang? Where did essentially infinite matter come from in the first place? The origins of the universe are perplexing in the extreme to say the least. I don't find it that far-fetched that some being exists outside of all that who might exert some influence in some way. I also do not discount the possibility that God as we know it is simply an extremely advanced alien and we interpreted it wrong, or maybe interpreted it fully as the alien intended. Something else we cannot really explain is consciousness itself. What exactly ends with death? Hell what is life in the first place? Lots of unanswered and unanswerable questions really. I'm with @Stoked on this one. Believe (or don't) and let believe.

You get that I'm not telling anyone not to believe, right?

I'm not making any claim. I'm not making any assertion.

I want to reiterate that I may be in a somewhat rare position in that I have never, not for a single second of my life, been religious. I am the child of people who probably would not have described themselves as Atheists, but who certainly had no faith and never introduced the notion of faith to their children.

So I never had a moment when I had to decide that all that I was taught was false. I never had to reject God. I never had to reconcile my belief with my doubts. I never believed in God, not for a second. I never had faith, not for a second.

So for me the claim that comes to me completely from the outside of myself, that a thing called God exists is a bizarre notion. One that begins with zero credibility. One that is not fundamental to my understanding of why we exist, what the meaning of life is, what happens before existence or after it. It is a completely separate notion for me. A completely separate "claim" that I consider on its own merits.

The claim of the existence of God lacks credibility, so I continue to not have a belief in God. I call that Atheism. Others want to tell me that because I can't be sure, that I'm really an agnostic. Which to me means that I have to take a middle position of not being sure either way. I think that definition is one that people are trying to force onto me for their own comfort. I have no belief in God because I have no reason to have belief in God. I call that Atheism.

I'm not telling you what evidence or special knowledge you have on the subject!

If you have some evidence or special knowledge of God's existence... that has nothing to do with me. I don't. If the only way you can share your special knowledge with me is through your testimony, I remain unconvinced and completely unmoved.

 

[Stoked]

Anyone making a positive claim has the burden of proof.

You're perfectly free to believe something without proof or substantiation. That has nothing to do with my point.

The point is that to be an Atheist I do not need to have proof that God doesn't exist. I don't need to make an assertion of any kind. I don't need to have any special knowledge or insight at all. I only need to demand credibility to the claim before giving it meaningful consideration. Lacking that, I'm an atheist.

Me being an Atheist isn't me telling Theists that they are wrong.

No, I feel no burden to prove anything to anyone in regards to my religious beliefs. My point is just because you feel that burden is there doesn’t mean it is.

Good for you being an atheist.

 

[LogGrad98]

You get that I'm not telling anyone not to believe, right?

I'm not making any claim. I'm not making any assertion.

I want to reiterate that I may be in a somewhat rare position in that I have never, not for a single second of my life, been religious. I am the child of people who probably would not have described themselves as Atheists, but who certainly had no faith and never introduced the notion of faith to their children.

So I never had a moment when I had to decide that all that I was taught was false. I never had to reject God. I never had to reconcile my belief with my doubts. I never believed in God, not for a second. I never had faith, not for a second.

So for me the claim that comes to me completely from the outside of myself, that a thing called God exists is a bizarre notion. One that begins with zero credibility. One that is not fundamental to my understanding of why we exist, what the meaning of life is, what happens before existence or after it. It is a completely separate notion for me. A completely separate "claim" that I consider on its own merits.

The claim of the existence of God lacks credibility, so I continue to not have a belief in God. I call that Atheism. Others want to tell me that because I can't be sure, that I'm really an agnostic. Which to me means that I have to take a middle position of not being sure either way. I think that definition is one that people are trying to force onto me for their own comfort. I have no belief in God because I have no reason to have belief in God. I call that Atheism.

I'm not telling you what evidence or special knowledge you have on the subject!

If you have some evidence or special knowledge of God's existence... that has nothing to do with me. I don't. If the only way you can share your special knowledge with me is through your testimony, I remain unconvinced and completely unmoved.

Um, ok. I don't remember quoting you on anything, I was just expressing what this thread made me think of. But thanks for clarifying?

 

[One Brow]

I have no idea what that has to do with asking about the spectrum been militant belief and militant non-belief. I was under the impression that agnosticism was the middle ground or the "I don't know" point along that spectrum. But as with any system of belief it is indeed a spectrum so each person will define their belief differently. I just thought that people who identify as "atheist" tended toward claiming "there is no God" more than "I don't know". So I was trying to clarify.

Atheism is the specific claim "I don't believe". You can add more to it in various ways, but at it's heart, that's all atheism is. It's compatible with "I know" and "I don't know".

 

[Gameface]

Um, ok. I don't remember quoting you on anything, I was just expressing what this thread made me think of. But thanks for clarifying?

I never accused you of quoting me.

But that's your response?

 

[Gameface]

No, I feel no burden to prove anything to anyone in regards to my religious beliefs. My point is just because you feel that burden is there doesn’t mean it is.

Good for you being an atheist.

I'm not asking you to prove anything to me.

My Atheism isn't about you. It's not about you at all. You have absolutely nothing to do with it in any way.

My Atheism is NOT an attack on your belief.

My Atheism is about me not having faith in God. It is about me not personally having any reason to believe that God exists.

My Atheism is NOT militant.

My Atheism is not an assertion that belief ion God by others is wrong.