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Stifle Tower said:
Jazz won't base their draft on getting or not getting Tomic. If they think Kaminsky or Turmer are the BPA's at #12 (if they're on the board), they'll draft that player. Jazz basically have three bigs: Gobert, Favors and Booker. The nice thing about Favors is that he can play the 5 when Gobert sits, or he can become a full-time 4. I think he'd prefer to play 30 mins. at the 4, but he'll do what the Jazz ask. So that leaves open the possibility of drafting either a 4 or a 5. Jazz will carry at least 5 bigs, so there is also another roster spot open at the 4/5.

Unfortunately, the Jazz are prohibited from talking contract specifics with Tomic until July 1st. So he CAN'T make a decision to play with the Jazz before that date; he has no way of knowing what they'll offer. IMO, the BPA probably won't be Kaminsky at #12. Jazz would be better served taking a PF to prepare for Booker's free agency after next season. Trevor may get offered too much in a market where owners will be spending like drunken sailors.

And if they miss out on Kaminsky and Tomic, they'll bring Pleiss over, go after a different backup in FA, or simply rely on Favors as their backup 5. Utah has decent options and can respond to any scenario.
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Why CAN"T we talk to the guy that we have rights to until July 1st? I assumed it was a courtesy while Tomic was still playing. We certainly wouldn't be tampering to speak to him early. If the Jazz have a number in mind, I'm sure Tomic knows what that is. And I'm sure the Jazz have an idea of the number he is looking for. I would suspect that number got larger which is why the door was thrust back open.

As far as the draft goes, we can stay at 12 and get a third big, which we need. Knowing we have Tomic means we can move up and get a Stanley, who is a luxury. That extra big slot needs to be filled, if we are able to do it with Tomic, THEN we are playing with House money in the draft giving us the ability to move up, or grab a wing if one happens to slip. If Tomic isn't coming, the wise thing to do would be to save resources and draft a decent big at #12 because there will be at least one of our targets available there.
 
framer said:
Why CAN"T we talk to the guy that we have rights to until July 1st? I assumed it was a courtesy while Tomic was still playing. We certainly wouldn't be tampering to speak to him early. If the Jazz have a number in mind, I'm sure Tomic knows what that is. And I'm sure the Jazz have an idea of the number he is looking for. I would suspect that number got larger which is why the door was thrust back open.
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Even though we have his rights, the CBA states the Jazz can't talk about a contract until JUly 1st. It's the same with Jingles or any other player not under contract. It's a stupid rule and I'm sure the Jazz have managed to get around it a bit. That Tomic HASN'T signed a new contract after it was reported he had reached agreement in principle on one - indicates to me Utah probably DID reach his agent after that report and convinced him to wait. He likely has some ballpark figure his agent has "guessed" Utah might offer him.

It's really a wash in terms of wanting the draft before free agency or after. You could make an argument for either. I think before is probably better. Then you know what holes you need to fill when FA hits. Otherwise, you'd be more likely to draft for need.
 
Not sure if someone posted already, but good info on Tomic, Neto, and Pleiss:

https://saltcityhoops.com/international-qa-with-sam-meyerkopf-of-euroleague-adventures/

Article makes it seem that Tomic wants to come to the NBA, just not to Utah. If that is the case, what are Tomic's rights worth? If Utah packaged Tomic (the best center in Europe) plus the #12, how high can they move up in the draft? I wonder if Tomic is stalling on signing a deal with CSKA, Madrid, or Barcelona because he wants to see if he will be dealt from Utah pre-draft.

If Tomic guarantees to come over, would the Knicks (who would love a center with his offense in the triangle) trade the #4 for Tomic, the #12, and maybe the OKC pick?

The only other teams that could use a starting caliber center ahead of Utah in the draft are Charlotte, Miami, and Indiana, but that deal only makes sense if Tomic is 100% never coming to Utah and if players like Stanley Johnson or Booker drop that far. Plus, the only team out of that group that Tomic might be open to is Miami, as I can't see Indiana or Charlotte as that much more attractive to him than mega-cities like Barcelona or Moscow.
 
I wouldn't trade his rights at all, unless the Jazz get offered a king's ransom. If he doesn't want to come here, screw him, let him be the best player in the 2nd tier league.
 
Nate505 said:
I wouldn't trade his rights at all, unless the Jazz get offered a king's ransom. If he doesn't want to come here, screw him, let him be the best player in the 2nd tier league.
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Why so much emotion? He's an asset, if the choice is use it or lose it, don't you have to use it? Maybe not you, but 99% of the rest of us say yes. I'd take that hypothetical 4th pick and not look back.
 
Spaniard said:
Why so much emotion? He's an asset, if the choice is use it or lose it, don't you have to use it? Maybe not you, but 99% of the rest of us say yes. I'd take that hypothetical 4th pick and not look back.
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I'd still prefer to have him, but it would be hard to pass that deal up and have the pick of whoever they want after Towns, Okafor and Russell are all gone.
 
Spaniard said:
Why so much emotion? He's an asset, if the choice is use it or lose it, don't you have to use it? Maybe not you, but 99% of the rest of us say yes. I'd take that hypothetical 4th pick and not look back.
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The hypothetical 4th pick would be the aforementioned king's ransom. I'd trade him and the 12 for the 4 pick even if he wanted to play here.

But if you can't get much for him I wouldn't trade him just because he wants to play in the NBA but not for the Jazz. That sets a bad precedent.
 
Nate505 said:
The hypothetical 4th pick would be the aforementioned king's ransom. I'd trade him and the 12 for the 4 pick even if he wanted to play here.

But if you can't get much for him I wouldn't trade him just because he wants to play in the NBA but not for the Jazz. That sets a bad precedent.
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That's a fair and reasonable position. There's so much chatter on him, and really nothing concrete. Just lots of opinions. The Jazz front office has a better grip on the reality of it than any of us ever will. I'm hopeful that they can bring him over, just because I think he makes the team better and is more affordable than he'd be as a free agent already in the NBA. I guess we'll see.
 
I remember back in 2010, when Rambis was the Timberwolves head coach he scouted Tomic heavily in Europe and he was really intrigued.

At that time the Jazz had the #9 pick and the Timberwolves had the #4 pick. The rumored deal that would have got it done was Tomic & #9 for #4.

If we could use #12 + Tomic to move up to 7, 8, or possibly even 9, I would do it. If he doesn't want to play here might as well use him as an asset.
 
mellow said:
He probably kills puppies, eats endangered species and carves his initials in aspen trees too. He is dead to me.
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Hahaha.

I hope it's (Tomic not wanting to play here) not true, but he wouldn't be the first guy to hold that opinion.
 
White Chocolate said:
I remember back in 2010, when Rambis was the Timberwolves head coach he scouted Tomic heavily in Europe and he was really intrigued.

At that time the Jazz had the #9 pick and the Timberwolves had the #4 pick. The rumored deal that would have got it done was Tomic & #9 for #4.

If we could use #12 + Tomic to move up to 7, 8, or possibly even 9, I would do it. If he doesn't want to play here might as well use him as an asset.
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Ew, wasnt that the Wesely Johnson pick? Glad the Jazz dodged that.
 
mellow said:
Ew, wasnt that the Wesely Johnson pick? Glad the Jazz dodged that.
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Yes sir, and the Jazz ended up with Hayward. Glad they were smart enough to see past it, although they probably thought of Tomic as a legit asset.
 
Jeffrey32 said:
Not sure if someone posted already, but good info on Tomic, Neto, and Pleiss:

https://saltcityhoops.com/international-qa-with-sam-meyerkopf-of-euroleague-adventures/

Article makes it seem that Tomic wants to come to the NBA, just not to Utah. If that is the case, what are Tomic's rights worth? If Utah packaged Tomic (the best center in Europe) plus the #12, how high can they move up in the draft? I wonder if Tomic is stalling on signing a deal with CSKA, Madrid, or Barcelona because he wants to see if he will be dealt from Utah pre-draft.

If Tomic guarantees to come over, would the Knicks (who would love a center with his offense in the triangle) trade the #4 for Tomic, the #12, and maybe the OKC pick?

The only other teams that could use a starting caliber center ahead of Utah in the draft are Charlotte, Miami, and Indiana, but that deal only makes sense if Tomic is 100% never coming to Utah and if players like Stanley Johnson or Booker drop that far. Plus, the only team out of that group that Tomic might be open to is Miami, as I can't see Indiana or Charlotte as that much more attractive to him than mega-cities like Barcelona or Moscow.
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I thought it sounded like the Jazz may not be willing to pay what it would take to get him over here/Tomic may be worried about his role. For the Jazz he would be the 3rd big in a 4 man rotation. For some other teams he would be 2nd in a 3 man rotation. It's hard to chase a big second contract when you are that far down in the rotation. From the Jazz perspective how much do you pay for a guy with that kind of role? Sure he would choose living in Barcelona over SLC but I think that would be the case for most NBA cities.

I'd guess the Jazz-Tomic fit is the problem much more so than him not wanting to come to Utah.
 
Jeffrey32 said:
If Tomic guarantees to come over, would the Knicks (who would love a center with his offense in the triangle) trade the #4 for Tomic, the #12, and maybe the OKC pick?

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I would love to do that trade.
Snag winslow or Mario
 
♪alt13 said:
I'd guess the Jazz-Tomic fit is the problem much more so than him not wanting to come to Utah.
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That was my take too. Gobert and Favors being established would affect his playing time. Plus this was all speculation by Sam Meyerkopf. There was nothing from Tomic himself.
 
Nate505 said:
The hypothetical 4th pick would be the aforementioned king's ransom. I'd trade him and the 12 for the 4 pick even if he wanted to play here.

But if you can't get much for him I wouldn't trade him just because he wants to play in the NBA but not for the Jazz. That sets a bad precedent.
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The problem is, I doubt a team would trade a high pick for Tomic and the #12. It's a HUGE gamble because Tomic isn't a lock to come over and a team can't talk to him about a contract before July 1st.
 
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