DutchJazzer
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so everybody ignores that the ******* did something stupid.
so now we are supposed to defend stupidity.
the ****er went on a track with cars RACING, this is a consequence of his action.
also known as natural selection in my book
Tony Stewart, NASCAR driver, hits and kills a driver who got out of his car.
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so everybody ignores that the ******* did something stupid.
so now we are supposed to defend stupidity.
the ****er went on a track with cars RACING, this is a consequence of his action.
also known as natural selection in my book
QuinSnydersHair
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You're published?
Who is ignoring that he did something stupid?
Just thought it doesn't look good if he gunned it, you don't gun the engine on a yellow to try to avoid someone.
Secondly if Stewart did in fact remove and burn the tire that ran the guy over it doesn't exactly scream "innocent" when looking into what happened.
Intentionally tampering with or destroying evidence is not generally something innocent or shocked people will immediately do.
I'm curious to know if Stewart's go pro video is available to the investigators.
Jamezz
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I don't see that, you can see how he hits Kevin and then the car swerves. Don't focus on the car while watching the video or it's hard to catch, instead try to see the whole image focusing in when Kevin's body gets sent out.
But still it's hard to determine whether if he did it on purpose when you can only see the very last feet in Stewart's car trajectory before the impact.
But regardless of all that, how stupid is it to get in the middle of a race track to try to argue with someone who's still racing.
Jamezz
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That's my take on it.
First of all the car is not going that fast, secondly you can hear the engine rev in the video which does not happen when "suddenly applying the brakes".
Is it possible it's another car that revs their engine at that exact moment... it could be.
I'm just saying both sides need to be looked at. The guy on the track was an idiot. If Stewart did anything intentionally or in the heat of the moment, he was an idiot too.
If both are at fault, and because someone died there should be some sort of consequence. The dead dude has already paid his consequence.
I don't know which video you are talking about the ones I've viewed on Youtube doesn't make it look like he intentionally did it. If you have a specific one I would like a link. However, to deny the fact that the kid getting out of the car had no impact on him being run over is simply ignoring the reality of the situation.
candrew
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The dim track argument is weak - I'm pulling a number out of my *** here but that video is what.....75 - 100 yards away? Looks pretty clear to me. Also you can see the shadows are to Ward's left so from Stewart's perspective Ward should not have been obscured by the lights. It the camera in the cab was destroyed like people are saying then that makes it all the more suspicious.
Also under a caution flag and BEFORE the wrecked car, Stewart hits the throttle which on a left turn caused the car to swerve to the right - to me this makes it readily obvious he could see Ward and was trying to intimidate him. Not purposely kill him obviously but he was incredibly reckless with a deadly weapon. I think that fits the criteria for vehicular manslaughter.
And as for Ward getting what he deserves because he acted like an idiot - the kid just got in a crash. For all you know he could have had a concussion or a fractured skull. And then there's this from a completely healthy man:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC8Jyuryc_s
Jamezz
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Oh so you can hear this clear out from the opposite side of a racing track, makes sense.
Did you watch the video. Do you have ears?
Hotdog
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Before people jump to conclusions about Stewart, I think people need hear all the evidence. I've heard some people on the radio talking about how these cars work. Supposedly they are setup to pull left and if you gun it, then it turns left even harder. That could explain why he may have hit the gas. He may have been trying to get the car to go more left. Again, this is what a Nascar fan on the radio was saying. I don't really know. Also, the sound of the revving engine may be coming from somewhere else.
I think it's a little bit crazy to say that Stewart should be charged based on the little evidence we have.
My personal opinion is, he shouldn't have been in the way of the car in the first place. This falls into the same category of guy who challenges traffic as a pedestrian and just thinks he'll sue if he is hit. We'll it's kinda hard to sue when you are dead, and there isn't much good that does at that point anyways. I don't feel sorry for the guy. You just gotta be smarter than that. It's kinda of a rule in life. Car vs Human, car always wins.
I think it's a little bit crazy to say that Stewart should be charged based on the little evidence we have.
My personal opinion is, he shouldn't have been in the way of the car in the first place. This falls into the same category of guy who challenges traffic as a pedestrian and just thinks he'll sue if he is hit. We'll it's kinda hard to sue when you are dead, and there isn't much good that does at that point anyways. I don't feel sorry for the guy. You just gotta be smarter than that. It's kinda of a rule in life. Car vs Human, car always wins.
candrew
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Multiple people at the event including another sprint-car racer are quoted as saying Stewart hit the throttle right in front of Ward.
https://www.sportingnews.com/nascar...nvestigation-new-york-watkins-glen-kevin-ward
Jamezz
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I don't know if you've ever been to a car race. I have, and I can tell you that if there are cars passing by right in front of you there's no way you can hear what's going on on the other side of the track.
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candrew
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Did you see the so called crash that killed Dale Earnhardt?
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No
Were they the same?
Did dale get out of his car and run onto the track?
Were they going the same speed on the same surface in the same type of car?
I'm pretty sure that the dude in this case was fine...... other than being but hurt over a fender bender that probably happens on a regular basis
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JAZZGASM
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Like what?
Two drivers dodge by turning left. Stewart turns right and appears to rev his engine (verified by other witnesses). What am I missing? Again, I'm not the Jury, and all the evidence has not been presented to me. But based on the video, it looks bad. I'd like to see the Go Pro footage. It was probably destroyed.
Edit: I am not saying it was on purpose, but it looks like it from this side of the camera.
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Again, it was with a caution flag out. Cars are going slow. Although I don't disagree it was a really stupid thing to do. Regardless, if Stewart hit him on purpose, should nothing happen to him? Just because the guy he hit was an idiot?