Tony Stewart, NASCAR driver, hits and kills a driver who got out of his car.

[DutchJazzer]

Again, it was with a caution flag out. Cars are going slow. Although I don't disagree it was a really stupid thing to do. Regardless, if Stewart hit him on purpose, should nothing happen to him? Just because the guy he hit was an idiot?

when i played basketball and went down in the paint. i did not stay there like some stupid *** there in the paint.
these days i see players lying down in the paint waiting for pitty.
i moved out of the way as fast as i could injured or not. if i was to injured to move i protect my head and scream for the play to stop.


so if i was in that situation i would have either stayed in the car. of ran off the track.
thats why he is dead and other smart people would have survived

 

[[size/HUGE] boobs [/size]]

Don't all these rednecks keep cameras in the cab? I'm sure that has the best angles. If so, I'm guessing it's been confiscated by the cops.

From what I've seen so far without a doubt this guy needs to be charged with vehicular manslaughter.

Git off the ****in track, Treyvon.

It is clear to me my friends. What happens is Tony is worried Mr. Martin will hit front of his car and make him roll. He guns it to get front end out of way and bounce this kid in self defense. This is what I would do if psycho is threatening 30 car pileup. Tony saved lifes this day by removing threat to society.

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

The dim track argument is weak - I'm pulling a number out of my *** here but that video is what.....75 - 100 yards away? Looks pretty clear to me. Also you can see the shadows are to Ward's left so from Stewart's perspective Ward should not have been obscured by the lights. It the camera in the cab was destroyed like people are saying then that makes it all the more suspicious.

Also under a caution flag and BEFORE the wrecked car, Stewart hits the throttle which on a left turn caused the car to swerve to the right - to me this makes it readily obvious he could see Ward and was trying to intimidate him. Not purposely kill him obviously but he was incredibly reckless with a deadly weapon. I think that fits the criteria for vehicular manslaughter.

And as for Ward getting what he deserves because he acted like an idiot - the kid just got in a crash. For all you know he could have had a concussion or a fractured skull. And then there's this from a completely healthy man:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC8Jyuryc_s

So what was the option? Don't make a left turn and instead hit Ward head on? Listen, I'll be the first to say Stewart is an epic douche but to make this so cut and dry is ridiculous at this point without better video footage.

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

Like what?

Two drivers dodge by turning left. Stewart turns right and appears to rev his engine (verified by other witnesses). What am I missing? Again, I'm not the Jury, and all the evidence has not been presented to me. But based on the video, it looks bad. I'd like to see the Go Pro footage. It was probably destroyed.

Edit: I am not saying it was on purpose, but it looks like it from this side of the camera.

You can't even see Stweart's car until the last second, basically just before he hits Ward. You can not see the car to that point and how it swerved or didn't swerve. To say otherwise is being intellectually dishonest.

 

[JAZZGASM]

You can't even see Stweart's car until the last second, basically just before he hits Ward. You can not see the car to that point and how it swerved or didn't swerve. To say otherwise is being intellectually dishonest.

I didn't watch the clip here, but the clip I did see I watched 7-8 times. I saw other cars turn their wheels left away from Ward. I saw Stewart's tires turn toward Ward and then it appeared the he rev'd his engine (confirmed by others at the track according to other posters). I didn't know who either of these guys were before the crash, and can see the idiocy of Ward doing what he did.

However, based on what I saw, watching the clip multiple times, it appeared Stewart's actions were the opposite of other drivers and it caused him to hit Ward. Does that mean he did it on purpose? No. But again, if I were the trier of fact and this was the only evidence presented, it doesn't look good. If I were on a grand jury with only the video as evidence, I think I would lean towards a trial.

Are you really telling me you don't see his front wheels turn towards Ward? Watch again. Slow motion:

https://www.youtubeslow.com/watch?v=qILmIyG6qno

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

I didn't watch the clip here, but the clip I did see I watched 7-8 times. I saw other cars turn their wheels left away from Ward. I saw Stewart's tires turn toward Ward and then it appeared the he rev'd his engine (confirmed by others at the track according to other posters). I didn't know who either of these guys were before the crash, and can see the idiocy of Ward doing what he did.

However, based on what I saw, watching the clip multiple times, it appeared Stewart's actions were the opposite of other drivers and it caused him to hit Ward. Does that mean he did it on purpose? No. But again, if I were the trier of fact and this was the only evidence presented, it doesn't look good. If I were on a grand jury with only the video as evidence, I think I would lean towards a trial.

Are you really telling me you don't see his front wheels turn towards Ward? Watch again.

Yes, i see him turn toward Ward a little. But that's pretty much the first thing we see.

Have you not read what people here have posted? That Stewart supposedly (who knows what is true) had another car in front of him. That that car swerved out of Ward's way last second giving Stewart little time to react. When he turned left, Stewart's vehicle then cuts back right (as we see), as Hack and others have said.

It's not even remotely cut and dry to me.

And at the end of the day, this dumbs made a conscious to decision to walk out on a track with moving cars.

 

[JAZZGASM]

Yes, i see him turn toward Ward a little. But that's pretty much the first thing we see.

Have you not read what people here have posted? That Stewart supposedly (who knows what is true) had another car in front of him. That that car swerved out of Ward's way last second giving Stewart little time to react. When he turned left, Stewart's vehicle then cuts back right (as we see), as Hack and others have said.

It's not even remotely cut and dry to me.

And at the end of the day, this dumbs made a conscious to decision to walk out on a track with moving cars.

Yes, a very dumb move by Ward, even with a yellow caution flag out. Again, I am basing my comments solely on what I saw in the video. I edited my last post and listed a link in slow motion. Check it out again. All I am saying is it doesn't look good from Stewart's side. It looks deliberate. I'm saying in a vacuum, without other evidence it looks bad, and if I were the police I would have to consider charing him based on the video. I think the footage looks bad. It will be crucial for the popo to hear what the other swerving drivers had to say as far as visibility, and to confirm if Stewart's view was blocked. There is more to the story for sure, I was simply commenting on what I saw in the video.

Again, if it was Stewart revving his engine, why did he do that? Either way, I don't think Stewart was trying to kill the guy. No idea if he was trying to bump him, etc.

 

[ema]

Watched the video at 0,25 speed on youtube/HTML5. But I still can't say it was intentional. Another angle is needed to say anything decisive.

 

[JAZZGASM]

Watched the video at 0,25 speed on youtube/HTML5. But I still can't say it was intentional. Another angle is needed to say anything decisive.

If it really was Stewart stomping his pedal (the sound seemed to be in sync with the fishtailing) why would he do that?

It is also weird that Stewart's camp said they had no audio or video for the police. He had a GoPro. Aren't the audio discussions always recorded for these things? Weird.

 

[ema]

If it really was Stewart stomping his pedal (the sound seemed to be in sync with the fishtailing) why would he do that?

It is also weird that Stewart's camp said they had no audio or video for the police. He had a GoPro. Aren't the audio discussions always recorded for these things? Weird.

I think I'm more leaning the other way, after watching the video another a few minutes. Certainly agreed that it doesn't look good for the driver. I also agree with you on the light issue, I'm not buying it could be that dark on the track if an ordinary(most likely) cam could catch that video. And especially the engine sound is very suspicious. It sounds like it was a madness of the driver for half a second.

In total, I think there is enough suspicion to have a charge at the driver. Though I still think they are very insufficient to make a definite judgment.

 

[Jamezz]

If it really was Stewart stomping his pedal (the sound seemed to be in sync with the fishtailing) why would he do that?

It is also weird that Stewart's camp said they had no audio or video for the police. He had a GoPro. Aren't the audio discussions always recorded for these things? Weird.

Still inconclusive, it should also come into place that he could have panicked and stepped the wrong pedal. I still sustain that there are no means of knowing if it was intentional with this video. I don't know what the car's trajectory was a few seconds before he ran into the guy. Having only seen the video I say Stewart is innocent, I could be proven wrong though.

 

[JAZZGASM]

Still inconclusive, it should also come into place that he could have panicked and stepped the wrong pedal. I still sustain that there are no means of knowing if it was intentional with this video. I don't know what the car's trajectory was a few seconds before he ran into the guy. Having only seen the video I say Stewart is innocent, I could be proven wrong though.

It is also weird that when Stewart's camp was asked to turn over audio and video they reported that they had none. Do you really believe his go pro was mounted and not on? I doubt it.

The facts will come out. If he is charged, it will be based on all of the evidence, not just the video. I can see how the white car could be in the way of Stewart, but it is hard to see from that angle. I just found the revving and wheel turning towards Ward suspicious.

 

[franklin]

I trust that Obama and his advisors, and the congressional committees, and the Pent, and every other structure we have in place to deal with this kind of ****, aren't a bunch of Murricah hatin morans and have put in place the best possible solution to the ISIS-Iraq problem.

**** the radical world, Long Live Murrick.

 

[fishonjazz]

he could have panicked and stepped the wrong pedal.

This.
I was driving a forklift once and pushed on the brake but my other for was under the brake pedal and I crashed into a wall hard. If someone would have been in my path I would have hit them.

Sometimes accidents really do happen.

This might have been an accident on Stewart's part..... more importantly there is no way to prove it was intentional from that video alone

 

[Archie Moses]

I'm not so sure he swerved. Ward was hit by Stewart's back rear tire. That may have pulled the car to the right. I'm no expert so I certainly don't know. What I know is it was dark, the kid was lucky to not be hit by the first car and his emotions smothered his common sense which cost him his life. I certainly don't think Stewart meant to kill the kid. He probably meant to scare him and skim him though.

 

[Archie Moses]

Also, I should note I heard the kid was hit by the back rear tire from what I've heard was reported. I certainly can't tell in the video.

 

[LogGrad98]

This.
I was driving a forklift once and pushed on the brake but my other for was under the brake pedal and I crashed into a wall hard. If someone would have been in my path I would have hit them.

Sometimes accidents really do happen.

This might have been an accident on Stewart's part..... more importantly there is no way to prove it was intentional from that video alone

I had to deal with the aftermath of someone who did this exact things and killed himself (crushed between forklift and pallet racking). Accidents absolutely do happen.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Hard to know Stewart's intentions. We'll likely never know for sure. What we do know is that prior to the race starting, the last thing the drivers were explicitly told was to stay in their cars in the event of an accident. Ward chose to blatantly ignore that counsel. If a guy were to get out of bed in the morning wanting to commit suicide that day, it would be difficult to think of a more effective method than what Ward did last Saturday.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'm not so sure he swerved. Ward was hit by Stewart's back rear tire. That may have pulled the car to the right. I'm no expert so I certainly don't know. What I know is it was dark, the kid was lucky to not be hit by the first car and his emotions smothered his common sense which cost him his life. I certainly don't think Stewart meant to kill the kid. He probably meant to scare him and skim him though.

If he meant to "just skim him" shouldn't he be guilty of murder? Pretty sure you don't **** around and try to scare people like that.

 

[JAZZGASM]

I had to deal with the aftermath of someone who did this exact things and killed himself (crushed between forklift and pallet racking). Accidents absolutely do happen.

I actually had someone almost kill me. I was driving a forklift on a truck and the guy in the truck decided to pull away from the dock (it was winter, so the truck was idling as we finalized the load. We transported the forklift to unload the stuff at another warehouse, and the last thing to do was pull in the forklift and shut the trailer door.) Luckily I was able to jump off the forklift and back into the building before it fell off the dock. The driver, having realized what he had done, decided to back up, which destroyed the forklift and truck. I was barely able to scramble back inside before I was crushed by the truck.

Needless to say, I refused to work with the guy after that.