Tough Day To Be In Law Enforcement

[Archie Moses]

Exactly. Good post

Lol. You guys are refuting they need more training after the cop shoots a guy because of how they're trained - if they feel their life is in danger they can use lethal force.

Just maybe... just maybe... with more training they could have resolved this with a better outcome.

You might think it's the cops lacking common sense but you're being short sighted on what their job entails. They go to work every day not knowing if their going home alive.

 

[Archie Moses]

Just read more about the shooting and who Blake is. Looks like he's paralyzed now.

It's gotta be hella traumatic for his kids to have witnessed it.

Does anyone know what lead up to the incident? Why were cops trying to detain/arrest him?

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

It's easy to Monday morning quarterback cops. That fact of the reality is people do kill cops and those disobeying orders are unpredictable.

I'm certainly not condoning the shooting, I'm just capable of understanding it from a different perspective.

The lack of common sense by, usually, both involved in these shootings hits the nail on the head.

So, basically what you are saying is that the actions of the suspect condone lethal force no matter of the circumstances?

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

I'm sure he was capable of tackling him but he didn't. Why? Probably lack of training.

Or he knew he could get away with simply shooting the man because he thinks he can get away with it

 

[Archie Moses]

So, basically what you are saying is that the actions of the suspect condone lethal force no matter of the circumstances?

I'm saying I understand why it was used.

No, I don't support the shooting.

Can you read, bro?

 

[Archie Moses]

Or he knew he could get away with simply shooting the man because he thinks he can get away with it

This mentality is probably our biggest difference.

I don't know what the cop was thinking, nor do you.

I'd like to think cops aren't waiting for the perfect time to get away with murder. I'm sure some do and have, but I'm not going to universalize that thought. Simp.

 

[One Brow]

Portland looks like Mad Marland. What a **** hole.

I watched the first 4 minutes. It looked very selectively edited.

But yeah, you mix in right-wing and left-wing protesters nowadays, that's what you get.

 

[Beer]

I watched the first 4 minutes. It looked very selectively edited.

But yeah, you mix in right-wing and left-wing protesters nowadays, that's what you get.

I was in Portland 2 weeks ago and it's only getting worse. That place is a disaster zone right now. It was really really sad to see.

 

[gandalfe]

OK, how do you get a link to show up in a pretty graphical format?

Anyway, reports are that Jacob Blake is paralyzed from the waist down.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/8/25/21400481/jacob-blake-kenosha-police-shooting-riots-evanston

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

You don't shoot someone in the arm or leg. You only fire your weapon because lethal force is the last recourse.

The point is if you are that close, and choose to shoot, why not in an arm or leg?

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

You only shoot because you feel it's last resort and it's justified. If you shoot, it's not to subdue, detain or injure. Regardless of proximity to the suspect.
The only question is should he have fired his weapon?
The Police should never and wont ever be trained to shoot in the arm or the leg.

Obviously as he shot him multiple times at close range. There was no need to kill him. He was right there. One none lethal shot was all that was required and he shot him 4-5 times.

 

[LogGrad98]

The point is if you are that close, and choose to shoot, why not in an arm or leg?

1) it is a smaller target, and moving more than the torso does, increasing the odds you miss and hit something unintended, like a bystander.
2) it is much less likely to contain the threat, and more likely to elicit erratic behavior
3) it can be every bit as lethal as a shot to the torso
4) it goes against basic LEO training, which states, in a nutshell, shoot only when you feel there is an immediate threat to your life or the lives of others and shoot to stop that threat, which is only guaranteed with a torso shot.

This is a movie myth. Shooting the gun out of the hand, shooting on purpose in the arm or shoulder or whatever, it's all crap. It's far far more dangerous for all involved to try some movie **** like that.

 

[Archie Moses]

I watched the first 4 minutes. It looked very selectively edited.

But yeah, you mix in right-wing and left-wing protesters nowadays, that's what you get.

The story I read about was the second part of the video of the guy who got pulled out of his vehicle by protesters protesting police brutality and making their points by brutally beating the man unconscious.

The guy turned himself in. He's going to get to think about his actions behind bars.

Portland is a **** hole. So is Seattle.

 

[Gameface]

The point is if you are that close, and choose to shoot, why not in an arm or leg?

Can people please stop saying this stupid ****? It's been answered in this thread and every other shooting thread.

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[Eminence]

You only shoot because you feel it's last resort and it's justified. If you shoot, it's not to subdue, detain or injure. Regardless of proximity to the suspect.
The only question is should he have fired his weapon?
The Police should never and wont ever be trained to shoot in the arm or the leg.

Yeah, with tfivas here for sure. Guns are lethal and always will be, they simply shouldn't be deployed if we want a non-lethal result. It's rule #2 (don't point it at anything you aren't willing to kill)

Now my limited information impression is that one shouldn't have been needed in this scenario.

7 shots is also ridiculously over the top.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Well I don’t know the guidelines. But that video looked like murder to me. Standing right next to him and shoots him 7 times. Once or twice, ok, but 7 times standing next to him? I’ll also admit I don’t know the context of why the cop was trying to stop this guy. All I’ve heard is he was trying to stop a chick fight or something. Tell me if wrong but he didn’t need to be shot over that and in front of his kids.

 

[Archie Moses]

"I've been inundated by people asking my thoughts on the Kenosha/Jacob Blake shooting. Here's my take:

1. Don't forget the media has an agenda and it tends to not involve waiting for full information before rocketing their version in front of as many uninformed people as possible.

2. Police were called because Jacob Blake was waving a knife around and in conjunction with a domestic situation (not because he was roaming the countryside as a non-violent friendly fellow). While en route, dispatch informed police that Blake had an outstanding warrant in regard to his recent sexual assault and domestic abuse charges.

3. Police deployed a taser and it failed, as they are prone to do more than we'd like, despite being a great tool.

4. My research thus far, very early, is showing that Blake said he had a gun in the car and was going to go get it. He continued to brandish the knife while disregarding officer commands to drop it, which would have ended the situation PEACEFULLY, if he'd have complied with such lawful orders.

5. When he reached into the car, officers fired. Why? Because he already has one weapon and says he's getting a gun next from the location he's reaching into.

I'll continue to weather the public opinion storm and wait for all facts but these seem to be what has been established for me thus far."

Saw this on Reddit. I guess it was written by a guy named Mike the Cop. Don't know who he is but he almost has a million followers.

Sounds like he could be pulling things out of his *** cause I haven't read anything with this much detail. Where did he get the info? If it's true, is the shooting justified?

@Thee Idiotic Minivan K have you read any of this?

 

[One Brow]

The story I read about was the second part of the video of the guy who got pulled out of his vehicle by protesters protesting police brutality and making their points by brutally beating the man unconscious.

After doing what? With a video cut up like that, we don't know what he said or did before he was pulled out of the truck.

Really, it seems like you fall for every video selectively edited.

 

[Archie Moses]

After doing what? With a video cut up like that, we don't know what he said or did before he was pulled out of the truck.

Really, it seems like you fall for every video selectively edited.

You can find what happened by doing a simple Google search.

Again, you fall to giving a blind eye. Like, what would warrant that type of behavior? You don't beat people unconscious.

Here's a literal full breakdown and 32 minutes of what lead up to the event.

I look forward to your saying yeah but... but...

what are you even defending, bro?

Portland man beaten during downtown protest: What a new 32-minute video reveals

The exact events leading up to Sunday night’s brutal attack on Adam Haner have remained murky amid a swirl of video snippets and social media posts. A new video captures the clearest, most comprehensive picture to date.

www.oregonlive.com

 

[reignman40]

Portland is a **** hole. So is Seattle.

It's just about of degens running around late at night burning things down, threatening people, beating defenseless animals to death with baseball bats...

They have been completely brain washed and have no direction or goal in life at this point.

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