"Toxic brand"?

[Wolverine Newby]

I would take that deal. #2 and #9. Brand would play as back up to Milsap. You got to Risk big to Win Big. If it failed at least they tried. But if it worked out it would be awesome. I am tired of the Jazz always taking the conservative route. Take a chance on that deal!

 

[billyshelby]

I would only do it if the plan was to take Favors and trade Millsap. And I love Millsap, but Favors is going to be special. Slot him behind Brand to start off, let him learn, and draft BPA at 9. Evan Turner is not worth the 2nd pick.

 

[Mambo]

Brand is more injury prone than Boozer.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

I would only do it if the plan was to take Favors and trade Millsap. And I love Millsap, but Favors is going to be special. Slot him behind Brand to start off, let him learn, and draft BPA at 9. Evan Turner is not worth the 2nd pick.

I am really warming up to Favors. From what I've seen of him, he reminds me of Elden Campbell. Tall, long, pretty strong. But with more athleticism and more of an upside given his age.

 

[carolinajazz]

Brand hasn't been good for 3 years. What makes any of you think just by him coming to Utah that's going to change??

....exactly! He'd be less effective than Boozer on the pick and roll, that's for sure....and would probably get hurt the first month of the season. But if we could trade Klinko, dump Boozer AND both get the #2 pick and keep the 9th pick....I'd make this trade....but the 76er's won't! Doug Collins is stupid....but he's not that dumb!

 

[slipperysalee]

If Boozer is gone I'd do it. Start Sap and make Brand the new sap. Draft a big like Monroe, Whiteside, Udoh, or Aldrich and start them until Memo comes back. As much as I like Fes I don't think he is ready to start. Having Turner and Dwill making plays for us gets everyone a little moist. Don't lie, you know its true...

 

[shadler]

https://www.videosurf.com/video/derrick-favors-42-points-20-rebounds-12-blocks-52501935?vlt=ffext The fact that he has the same size and everything as dwight and he seems like the same type of player. In case it does work it saves money up for when they are up in contract. Getting the 9 pick is cream on the cake. Wonder if ak would come back as well if it happen to sign for less.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Every team in the NBA is salivating at that likely bogus Chad Ford article (what does he say that isn't?)

That said, even if there is something to the report, the Sixers are not doing the trade without #9. Not happening. In fact, the Jazz would have to also include the Memphis pick to have any hope there. And I'd still do it because there will be nothing left at #9 to replace Boozer or fix what's ailed this team since forever and this team's rebuilding efforts are going to take a hell of a lot longer when Deron gets sick of waiting for something to happen. If it doesn't work out, Brand, Okur, and Williams all expire the same year. The rebuilding trajectory in a worst-case scenario with or without this trade is the same.

Get on the ****-ing phone with the only team you ever talk to, KOC. Greg, pony up.

 

[TroutBum]

Every team in the NBA is salivating at that likely bogus Chad Ford article (what does he say that isn't?)

That said, even if there is something to the report, the Sixers are not doing the trade without #9. Not happening. In fact, the Jazz would have to also include the Memphis pick to have any hope there. And I'd still do it because there will be nothing left at #9 to replace Boozer or fix what's ailed this team since forever and this team's rebuilding efforts are going to take a hell of a lot longer when Deron gets sick of waiting for something to happen. If it doesn't work out, Brand, Okur, and Williams all expire the same year. The rebuilding trajectory in a worst-case scenario with or without this trade is the same.

Get on the ****-ing phone with the only team you ever talk to, KOC. Greg, pony up.

I'm so glad you're here to tell us all how things are. WTF does anyone else know, and even if they did, why would we listen to them. You are the man. What you say is the end-all, be-all. Hail to The King, baby.

 

[shadler]

Every team in the NBA is salivating at that likely bogus Chad Ford article (what does he say that isn't?)

That said, even if there is something to the report, the Sixers are not doing the trade without #9. Not happening. In fact, the Jazz would have to also include the Memphis pick to have any hope there. And I'd still do it because there will be nothing left at #9 to replace Boozer or fix what's ailed this team since forever and this team's rebuilding efforts are going to take a hell of a lot longer when Deron gets sick of waiting for something to happen. If it doesn't work out, Brand, Okur, and Williams all expire the same year. The rebuilding trajectory in a worst-case scenario with or without this trade is the same.

Get on the ****-ing phone with the only team you ever talk to, KOC. Greg, pony up.

I agree i would still do that to move up as well To get that pick. Be nice if Koc can pull off something great here. After reading some of the 76ers boards they seem to laugh at the idea when it is said and done though.

 

[Lord of Turnovers]

So, all posters on this board agree that having Brand's contract is tolerable if it brings the second pick... but somehow the Sixers are assumed to think otherwise. Why so?

 

[Former Member]

I think Sloan's offense would revitalize a player of Brands caliber... Unfortunately, we have had bad luck with injury prone players as of late.

 

[BENTLEY]

Intriguing. ...that's all I got.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

So the offer is what, AK, #9 and Memphis pick for #2 and Brand?

I just want to look at the possible salaries for that. And I'm rounding for convenience.

10-11

Brand: $16M
Williams: $15M
Okur: $9.5M
Millsap: $6.2M (Is this the real cap hit? I know there has been some debate on this.)
#2: $3.9M
Miles: $3.7M
Price: $1.4M
Koufos: $1.3M

$57M for 8 players. 5 more needed. Matthews, Korver? Gaines, Jeffers? Salary cap around 60M? Luxury around 70M?

Not really a big change with Kirilenko and the #9 really. It's the next year.

11-12

Brand: $17M
Williams: $16.3M
Okur: $10.9M
Millsap: $6.7M
#2: $4.2M
Miles: $3.7M (T)
Koufos: $2.2M (T)

$61M for 7 players? Come on. Is that the core you want? Add a probable Matthews at say 4 mil and that's over 65 million for 8 players. So 5 million for 5 players to avoid the tax? I know it's not your money, but I doubt the Jazz are a viable franchise being in the luxury tax every year.

And, contrary to a post earlier, after 11-12, Okur is off, Williams can opt out, but Brand is on the hook for another year near 19 mil. Hell of a thing to think it'll be easy to pass 19 mil off to a team as an expiring without taking on bad salaries in return.

Is Brand worth that crippling of a payroll with fringe players making up 40% of the roster? Quite the gamble.

 

[d@!!0n0rcutt]

I think you got to do it, if you could match up deron williams with either derrick favors or evan turner, we are that much closer to a title, I think. Just think, what if Brand can go back to his old form and be that 20/10 guy again and we have a backcourt of williams and turner then we would give anyone in the West a run for their money.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

I think you got to do it, if you could match up deron williams with either derrick favors or evan turner, we are that much closer to a title, I think. Just think, what if Brand can go back to his old form and be that 20/10 guy again and we have a backcourt of williams and turner then we would give anyone in the West a run for their money.

I don't know if it's much more than a lateral move. In a sense, that's not too bad since I believe the Jazz this year could have beaten any team in a series not named the Lakers. However, I don't think the move helps that particular conundrum. Counter argument is that keeping AK and the #9 doesn't help in beating the Lakers either.

So in the end, would it be fair to say the only difference is that the Jazz would be more financially screwed with doing the deal than without? And that's assuming Philadelphia would even do that deal.

 

[Qman]

So the offer is what, AK, #9 and Memphis pick for #2 and Brand?

I just want to look at the possible salaries for that. And I'm rounding for convenience.

10-11

Brand: $16M
Williams: $15M
Okur: $9.5M
Millsap: $6.2M (Is this the real cap hit? I know there has been some debate on this.)
#2: $3.9M
Miles: $3.7M
Price: $1.4M
Koufos: $1.3M

$57M for 8 players. 5 more needed. Matthews, Korver? Gaines, Jeffers? Salary cap around 60M? Luxury around 70M?

Not really a big change with Kirilenko and the #9 really. It's the next year.

11-12

Brand: $17M
Williams: $16.3M
Okur: $10.9M
Millsap: $6.7M
#2: $4.2M
Miles: $3.7M (T)
Koufos: $2.2M (T)

$61M for 7 players? Come on. Is that the core you want? Add a probable Matthews at say 4 mil and that's over 65 million for 8 players. So 5 million for 5 players to avoid the tax? I know it's not your money, but I doubt the Jazz are a viable franchise being in the luxury tax every year.

And, contrary to a post earlier, after 11-12, Okur is off, Williams can opt out, but Brand is on the hook for another year near 19 mil. Hell of a thing to think it'll be easy to pass 19 mil off to a team as an expiring without taking on bad salaries in return.

Is Brand worth that crippling of a payroll with fringe players making up 40% of the roster? Quite the gamble.

Basically we would be giving up any chance of a free agent in 2011-2012 for Brand and Turner.

Now our starting lineup would be
Deron
Matthews
Turner
Brand
Okur(Assuming he gets healthy)

With Miles and Millsap as first guys off the bench.

The Okur part of if is making think this is a bad gamble. Assuming that Okur cannot play to the level of the last couple of years we would be better off with some more flexibility.

 

[infection]

All this talk about jepordizing our financial future is nonsense. The only way we end up under the cap in the near future is if we are in complete rebuilding mode. Who, exactly, in any of the upcoming free agent classes do we think we're going to land? We're not going to sign anybody big, cap space or not. Sure, we may pick up a solid role player (i.e. a center who scores 10 points and grabs 8 boards, or a shooting guard who scores 13 points with a decent outside shot), but is this the guy we'd rather have on the roster in three years than Turner? In three years, when Brand would have come and gone, we will bemoan our fate as a perennial playoff team not quite good enough to advance, while salivating over the thought of being able to have someone like Turner on our roster. Yeah, we may be too close to the luxury tax to use our mid-level exception to sign "that guy" who provides a nice energy spark off the bench but seriously, who cares?

We've been competitive for a long time. I don't get excited about getting knocked out in the first and second round, regardless of how well we did in the regular season or how much of a "fight" we put up, or how we "could have" if we were healthy, more experience, etc. It's time to roll the damn dice.

 

[Bodhi]

All this talk about jepordizing our financial future is nonsense. The only way we end up under the cap in the near future is if we are in complete rebuilding mode. Who, exactly, in any of the upcoming free agent classes do we think we're going to land? We're not going to sign anybody big, cap space or not. Sure, we may pick up a solid role player (i.e. a center who scores 10 points and grabs 8 boards, or a shooting guard who scores 13 points with a decent outside shot), but is this the guy we'd rather have on the roster in three years than Turner? In three years, when Brand would have come and gone, we will bemoan our fate as a perennial playoff team not quite good enough to advance, while salivating over the thought of being able to have someone like Turner on our roster. Yeah, we may be too close to the luxury tax to use our mid-level exception to sign "that guy" who provides a nice energy spark off the bench but seriously, who cares?

We've been competitive for a long time. I don't get excited about getting knocked out in the first and second round, regardless of how well we did in the regular season or how much of a "fight" we put up, or how we "could have" if we were healthy, more experience, etc. It's time to roll the damn dice.

I agree with pretty much all of this. It comes down to this.... we will NEVER be a player in the free agent market. Not to the extent of luring "that guy". Franchise changing free agents aren't coming to Utah, so our only real option is to MAKE franchise POTENTIAL guys come here via draft.

To me it's the lesser of two evils: one is to have to overpay even for a mid-range free agent (Boozer/Okur at the time they first came) and have their large contract on the books but never have "that guy", and the other is to sacrifice some pretty big pieces (take on Brand's salary) in a move get a "that guy" in the draft. To me one gets you maybe to the WCF here and there and in the playoffs on a consistent basis, the other puts you in a realistic position to play for a title. What we as fans want and what the FO wants are possibly a bit different, but I for one want to see signs that this franchise is very much wanting a title and not just "consistently good".

 

[d@!!0n0rcutt]

I agree with pretty much all of this. It comes down to this.... we will NEVER be a player in the free agent market. Not to the extent of luring "that guy". Franchise changing free agents aren't coming to Utah, so our only real option is to MAKE franchise POTENTIAL guys come here via draft.

To me it's the lesser of two evils: one is to have to overpay even for a mid-range free agent (Boozer/Okur at the time they first came) and have their large contract on the books but never have "that guy", and the other is to sacrifice some pretty big pieces (take on Brand's salary) in a move get a "that guy" in the draft. To me one gets you maybe to the WCF here and there and in the playoffs on a consistent basis, the other puts you in a realistic position to play for a title. What we as fans want and what the FO wants are possibly a bit different, but I for one want to see signs that this franchise is very much wanting a title and not just "consistently good".

Exactly we aren't getting a Bosh or Wade type free agent to sign with us and especially not someone like Lebron, so the only way to land guys that are all-star caliber is via trade and draft, and we have that opportunity with the pieces we have with the trade exceptions, expiring (AK) contracts, and a lottery pick and perhaps a future lottery pick in the Memphis pick.