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KqWIN said:
Smart is very available, probably one of the more likely players to be traded in the next year.

If we got Ainge's guy (Smart) and Quin's guy (Schroeder), It would make sense from the "NBA is all about relationships" perspective.

It would give us one more depth piece, but I'm not sure we need that. If we wanted to move on from JC, Dennis+Juancho could also be a BOS deal. Combine it all together and maybe you do Ingles+JC for Smart+Shroeder+Juancho.
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Woj said he doesn't think he will be moved. So he may not be as available as we would like to believe. It could be a smokescreen as well... but I think they are holding out to maybe use him in a potential BS deal.

I don't think he's off limits... but if I had to guess I'd say you need to do a better deal than we could.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Bogey is one of the guys I'm keeping... dude is a gamer and is able to raise his level of play on both ends at times. Moving him takes away a lot of our upside potential imo. He can also slot in at 14-15 points super efficiently and space the floor so the other guys can cook. I honestly don't think Grant, Barnes, etc. are upgrades really at all. If Bogey was on a **** team he could put up 23-24 pts a night on solid efficiency too.

I also don't think we would get dollar for dollar in a trade.
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Bogey has real defensive limitations though, which is exacerbated by the size of our backcourt (further exacerbated by the putrid effort and focus of Donovan), Royce being a second-tier defensive player, and having absolutely 0 secondary rim protection or sufficiently quick but large perimeter defender. Conley, Gobert, and Mitchell are off the table, and trading Royce would exacerbate the catastrophic weaknesses of the main unit while also not being a piece that would get us the 2-way wing that we need.

I really don't think there's anywhere else to turn to improve the main lineup which at the end of the day is where games are won and lost. If we can get that player without sending Bogey and Quin isn't ride-or-die with Bogey (another big assumption) in the main (closing, especially) lineup, then great. But I try to rely on assumption as little as possible.
 
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Handlogten's Heros said:
Bogey is one of the guys I'm keeping... dude is a gamer and is able to raise his level of play on both ends at times. Moving him takes away a lot of our upside potential imo. He can also slot in at 14-15 points super efficiently and space the floor so the other guys can cook. I honestly don't think Grant, Barnes, etc. are upgrades really at all. If Bogey was on a **** team he could put up 23-24 pts a night on solid efficiency too.

I also don't think we would get dollar for dollar in a trade.
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I'd keep Bogey. If we could swap Clarkson for say Grant, slot Grant as a starter and bring Bogey off the bench as pure scoring punch that would be great. Easily lift us up another level.
 
NUMBERICA said:
We've gotta get a guard back that can legitimately run this team's offense + share the ball, hit an open three off the dribble, and provide resistance on defense. I'm pretty sure there is exactly one of those in the league, and that is the dude we'd be trading out. It is really hard for me to see a package that includes Conley going out that is either net-positive, or realistic. But sure, if the haul is right.
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1) Mike doesn't really take 3s off the dribble

2) Steph can certainly do all those

3) Most notably, I don't think we need all of that in one package.
 
Eminence said:
1) Mike doesn't really take 3s off the dribble

2) Steph can certainly do all those

3) Most notably, I don't think we need all of that in one package.
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1) He most certainly does; When he's open. As importantly, though, he doesn't chuck.
2) You know Steph Curry can run our offense after a midseason trade (this is not a dig)? More relevantly, is he available?
3) Why wouldn't we? Donovan is just not good at running the offense and spreading out the scoring, the primary ball handler has to be able to punish a defender that goes under the screen (which Mike is great at), and the Jazz cannot lose any defensive ability.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I'd keep Bogey. If we could swap Clarkson for say Grant, slot Grant as a starter and bring Bogey off the bench as pure scoring punch that would be great. Easily lift us up another level.
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We can't swap Clarkson for Grant though. Trust me, I'd love it too if our arguably most self-destructive rotation player returned us a player that theoretically checks off all the boxes of the player we need. Doesn't seem likely though.
 
NUMBERICA said:
If that's the litmus, why in god's name are you so obsessed with throwing shade at Rudy (or rather, "building a team around him" as though that is mutually exclusive to having other great players)? The Jazz don't get to .500 without him.

By that same metric, your boy Donovan ain't ****.
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Don is there when it matters most. I want to win a title - not a regular season best record

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NUMBERICA said:
Bogey has real defensive limitations though, which is exacerbated by the size of our backcourt (further exacerbated by the putrid effort and focus of Donovan), Royce being a second-tier defensive player, and having absolutely 0 secondary rim protection. Conley, Gobert, and Mitchell are off the table, and trading Royce would exacerbate the catastrophic weaknesses of the main unit while also not being a piece that would get us the 2-way wing that we need.

I really don't think there's anywhere else to turn to improve the main lineup which at the end of the day is where games are won and lost.
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All 48 minutes matter. Bogey normally sucks on defense but he has some matchups where he is solid. Royce has not been as good this year and I think the knee is an issue. If we had a different type of perimeter defender I think they could take Royce's minutes and help. You could also move Bogey to the bench in some situation for Gay if you need rebounding.

In the clips series we got terrible contributions from Niang, Favs, Conley (the one game he played). Getting a defensive boost in those spots would have helped. Bogey was really good in that series. He's also an iron man. If we had to make a bold move to improve the defense I might prefer it be Conley over Bogey.
 
Eminence said:
1) Mike doesn't really take 3s off the dribble

2) Steph can certainly do all those

3) Most notably, I don't think we need all of that in one package.
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You should look at point 1... you are loud wrong there.
 
NUMBERICA said:
If that's the litmus, why in god's name are you so obsessed with throwing shade at Rudy (or rather, "building a team around him" as though that is mutually exclusive to having other great players)? The Jazz don't get to .500 without him.

By that same metric, your boy Donovan ain't ****.
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If you havent noticed, Lopo is the kind of goalpost moving.

He just can't admit he doesnt like Gobert.
 
Also the irony of Lopo being such a "only playoffs matter when games really count" but then also is like "I cant blame Donovan for committing a careless turnover that lost us Game 7 because he played really good for the other 47 minutes"
 
LoPo said:
Conley doesn't move us forward. He hasn't and he won't.

We can't win meaningful games with our defense. You know this. Everybody knows this.


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So because Conley has suffered some untimely injuries he sucks and cant win us games, despite him putting up freaking amazing stats the past two years in the post-season?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Also the irony of Lopo being such a "only playoffs matter when games really count" but then also is like "I cant blame Donovan for committing a careless turnover that lost us Game 7 because he played really good for the other 47 minutes"
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I said the 57 point scorer screwed up on the play, but blaming that play for the loss is ignorant. He made up for it almost immediately after that.

Where was Conley when Don scored 57 and made a bone head play? How much did he help that game? Or Game 2? Or Game 7?

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Saint Cy of JFC said:
So because Conley has suffered some untimely injuries he sucks and cant win us games, despite him putting up freaking amazing stats the past two years in the post-season?
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Then call him Untimely Injury Conley instead of All Star Conley. He hasn't done **** to take us further than Rubio did.

YOU CANNOT DENY THAT

Just shut up Cy. You are wrong here. Suck on those goalposts

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Jazz got a 106.9 defensive rating with Conley on the court, a 112 with him off the court



So obviously Conley is the root of all the Jazz defensive problems.
 
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