Trade Deadline

[kabenac]

Precisely. to talk about Offense and Defense in the NBA like its 2 sides to a coin, is totally not giving enough credit to just how good some of the offensive players in the NBA are..


The part about Burks not being in Utah's long-term plans is misguided though and lacking perspective/vision, especially to point out injuries as a reason why. Do you think charlotte's going to give up on MKG because of injuries? or washington's gonna give up on Brad Beal because of injuries?? No, and Burks costs less than those players, on a team with much more capspace/room to grow.

Burks needs to be the guy who drives to the hoop and break the opposing team's defense down. He needs to be more selfish. Now that he has a solid three he has the potential to be much more dynamic and problematic. When the offense can't get it going and the play-calling sucks is when Burks should get the ball and do his thing.

 

[gregbroncs]

Here is a better version of that trade
https://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jtgxflh

Adjusted by intellegence

That was supposed to be better? I hope we are getting 3 first round picks in that trade with at least one being the unprotected nets pick.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Teague now appears to be unrealistic because Atlanta wants too much. I expect DL to go after Hill. If that fails, what about Brooks and Hinrich from Chicago? Bulls can avoid paying the tax if they trade both. They wouldn't want players back in that case. Too lazy to look it up, but they'd pay at least $4.8M in tax at a 1:1 penalty. So offloading them now would save that much (or more) PLUS the remainder of their salaries for this season. Brooks is a career 37% 3PT shooter; Hinrich is 38% (and 41% this season). Do we really need a traditional PG if Hood and Hayward are doing most of the play making? Adding those two would also provide depth if Burks doesn't return soon or is slow to return to game shape.

Both contracts are also expiring, so no effect on having Exum start next season, or making a future deal. All it does is use up cap space for this season.

 

[Miggs]

Teague now appears to be unrealistic because Atlanta wants Hood or Hayward (what a joke). I expect DL to go after Hill. If that fails, what about Brooks and Hinrich from Chicago? Bulls can avoid paying the tax if they trade both. They wouldn't want players back in that case. Too lazy to look it up, but they'd pay at least $4.8M in tax at a 1:1 penalty. So offloading them now would save that much (or more) PLUS the remainder of their salaries for this season. Brooks is a career 37% 3PT shooter; Hinrich is 38% (and 41% this season). Do we really need a traditional PG if Hood and Hayward are doing most of the play making? Adding those two would also provide depth if Burks doesn't return soon or is slow to return to game shape.

Both contracts are also expiring, so no effect on having Exum start next season, or making a future deal. All it does is use up cap space for this season.

Why trade for both? We'd have those two, Burke and Neto at the point. Seems sort of pointless to me and like a negligible upgrade given their chemistry with our guys would be presumably meh too erly on. I'd rather roll with our own soldiers I think.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Teague now appears to be unrealistic because Atlanta wants too much. I expect DL to go after Hill. If that fails, what about Brooks and Hinrich from Chicago? Bulls can avoid paying the tax if they trade both. They wouldn't want players back in that case. Too lazy to look it up, but they'd pay at least $4.8M in tax at a 1:1 penalty. So offloading them now would save that much (or more) PLUS the remainder of their salaries for this season. Brooks is a career 37% 3PT shooter; Hinrich is 38% (and 41% this season). Do we really need a traditional PG if Hood and Hayward are doing most of the play making? Adding those two would also provide depth if Burks doesn't return soon or is slow to return to game shape.

Both contracts are also expiring, so no effect on having Exum start next season, or making a future deal. All it does is use up cap space for this season.

My hell!! Your like a kid in the candy store when it comes to the NBA trade market.

 

[Stifle Tower]

My hell!! Your like a kid in the candy store when it comes to the NBA trade market.

Why's that? Jazz need more 3PT shooting. Brooks isn't a prototypical PG but I don't think Utah really needs one, Hood said in his interview that even IF DL traded for a PG, he and Hayward would still be running the offense. Hinrich is also a very good shooter. Would he not be an upgrade over Johnson?

Yes, it's a minor deal. But one that, IMO, makes sense for both teams IF Lindsey can't get Teague or Hill. Chicago gets under the tax level; Utah adds 3PT shooting and some depth in case of injuries to their guards. Probably wouldn't cost the Jazz very much and has ZERO impact long-term. But, sorry for voicing my opinion. I thought we were allowed to do that on a fan board.

I think this was my 2nd trade idea. In the other I gave a reason why they could help Miami get under the tax threshold. That it would involve getting Stokes made it humorous, IMO. But no less plausible since Utah would benefit (by switching picks next year). Again, sorry I didn't suggest a way to get us Curry for Burke or Lebron for Ingles.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Why's that? Jazz need more 3PT shooting. Brooks isn't a prototypical PG but I don't think Utah really needs one, Hood said in his interview that even IF DL traded for a PG, he and Hayward would still be running the offense. Hinrich is also a very good shooter. Would he not be an upgrade over Johnson?

Yes, it's a minor deal. But one that, IMO, makes sense for both teams IF Lindsey can't get Teague or Hill. Chicago gets under the tax level; Utah adds 3PT shooting and some depth in case of injuries to their guards. Probably wouldn't cost the Jazz very much and has ZERO impact long-term. But, sorry for voicing my opinion. I thought we were allowed to do that on a fan board.

I think this was my 2nd trade idea. In the other I gave a reason why they could help Miami get under the tax threshold. That it would involve getting Stokes made it humorous, IMO. But no less plausible since Utah would benefit (by switching picks next year). Again, sorry I didn't suggest a way to get us Curry for Burke or Lebron for Ingles.

It's utterly excessive and ridiculous to trade for them. It's overkill. It would halt the progression of Neto, and don't see either being an upgrade to Burks. There is utterly no reason for the trade which is why I said kid in a candy store. It's trading just to make a trade.


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[green]

First off. It seems that the majority of jazzfanz don't value Burks much and want him traded.

Secondly, the jazz extended him to the longest contract on the entire team and last year would not shut up about how excited they were to get Burks back and how they didn't care about adding players to the team because getting Burks back would be like getting a big free agent acquisition.
Every time a jazz front office person or coach talk about burks they seem to truly love him what he brings to the team.
The jazz sorely need his scoring off the bench... That much is obvious

Cool. All I know is what I've heard and what I've heard is Burks is not in their long term plans.

 

[green]

How would Hood force Favors out of the core? Favors is the best player on this team and plays a different position than Hood. If anything Hood is making Hayward expendable.

It would come down to Hayward vs Favors. Hayward is more durable, more reliable and more important.

Hayward and Hood shooting threes with Exum and Gobert running P&R is very dangerous. More dangerous than Favors and Gobert clogging the lane.

 

[green]

This is a good post. So many people on this board don't realize how good a defender Exum is. Seriously - if you're shutting down or at least impeding the other team's point guard it's a pretty big deal. Plus he's going to improve in every aspect of the game.

Exum is Utah's future. He isn't going anywhere. I've never heard Lindsay talk about anyone like he talks about Exum.

 

[Goodluckchuck]

It would come down to Hayward vs Favors. Hayward is more durable, more reliable and more important.

Hayward and Hood shooting threes with Exum and Gobert running P&R is very dangerous. More dangerous than Favors and Gobert clogging the lane.

Umm No.. The defense that Gobert/Favors give this team is far more important than any 3pt shooting that can come from anyone else. It's been proven time and time again that great teams have a great defense. Notice the teams record when Rudy or Favs were hurt. And then look up the record when Hayward was shooting terrible like at the beginning of the year. You trade Favors and we will be back to a lottery team. Have you noticed how much better the offense flows with him back in the lineup? If they decide to trade Favors, it's because they believe this group can't win one. And they have decided to blow it up and start over. As far as the PnR with Gobert... That can't happen until Gobert grows a pair of hands. The guy has terrible hands for a guy his size.

 

[fishonjazz]

Exum is Utah's future. He isn't going anywhere. I've never heard Lindsay talk about anyone like he talks about Exum.

If he ends up not being very good then he may be going somewhere

 

[Stifle Tower]

It's utterly excessive and ridiculous to trade for them. It's overkill. It would halt the progression of Neto, and don't see either being an upgrade to Burks. There is utterly no reason for the trade which is why I said kid in a candy store. It's trading just to make a trade.


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All teams need depth. Do you know Burks is coming back on the 18th? If not, we get a shooter who is 41% on his 3's. That's better than Johnson getting minutes at the 2,

Brooks is an immediate upgrade over Neto -or Green or Ingles when Burke or Neto are out.

Hindering Neto's development? Yep, it sure hurt John Stockton to come off the bench for most of three years. Besides, Neto is a backup. He's 3rd string on most contenders and I hope to hell that's the case by next season.

I'd rather have Teague or Hill. But if DL can't do that, there are some easy moves that would cost very little to upgrade a bit and add depth in case of injuries. Also show the fans AND, more importantly, the Jazz players that he wants to win.

 

[gregbroncs]

It would come down to Hayward vs Favors. Hayward is more durable, more reliable and more important.

Hayward and Hood shooting threes with Exum and Gobert running P&R is very dangerous. More dangerous than Favors and Gobert clogging the lane.

Hayward is neither more reliable or more important. Favors is the best player on this team. I'd be more inclined to trade Gobert, Exum, Hayward and anybody else on this team before Favors. And you still didn't answer the real question how does a SG force the PF/C out of the core?

 

[Jamezz]

Umm No.. The defense that Gobert/Favors give this team is far more important than any 3pt shooting that can come from anyone else. It's been proven time and time again that great teams have a great defense. Notice the teams record when Rudy or Favs were hurt. And then look up the record when Hayward was shooting terrible like at the beginning of the year. You trade Favors and we will be back to a lottery team. Have you noticed how much better the offense flows with him back in the lineup? If they decide to trade Favors, it's because they believe this group can't win one. And they have decided to blow it up and start over. As far as the PnR with Gobert... That can't happen until Gobert grows a pair of hands. The guy has terrible hands for a guy his size.

This, keeping Favors and Gobert is far more important than keeping Hood and Hayward if we were to choose.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Tbh, if Exum doesn't improve offensively, I think the choice comes down to Dante or Rudy. Jazz simply cannot become a top-5 team with two non-shooters. Gobert has hands of stone. But paired with Favors, Utah has an elite defense, notwithstanding the Q4 collapse against New Orleans.

But to make it work with those two, Utah needs three shooters on the floor. Hood is ideal. Hayward isn't a great 3PT shooter, but he's adequate in that area and has other skills. Utah doesn't need a play maker at PG; Hood and Hayward fulfill that role. Jazz need a 3&D guy. Exum has the D; will he ever have the 3?

 

[Greasy84]

Hindering Neto's development? Yep, it sure hurt John Stockton to come off the bench for most of three years.

Maybe it did. Stockton never really learned to shoot the 3 until AFTER he became a starter and his outside shooting was exposed.

I also think he lost a step by the time he hit 29 or 30. So, we only got to see 4-5 years of Stockton with his great quickness. I think it sucks that we lost out on those 3 years. I know Ricky Green was just coming off an all-star season, but, in retrospect, I think it was a mistake not to go with Stockton from the beginning.

 

[fishonjazz]

But to make it work with those two, Utah needs three shooters on the floor. Hood is ideal. Hayward isn't a great 3PT shooter, but he's adequate in that area and has other skills. Utah doesn't need a play maker at PG; Hood and Hayward fulfill that role. Jazz need a 3&D guy. Exum has the D; will he ever have the 3?

I like this paragraph. And honestly I don't even think our pg needs to be three and D.
I think rudy, favors, hayward, and hood are good enough defensively, and we have a good enough defensive philosophy and team defense that our pg doesn't even need to be all that good defensively.
I would just love to have a great three point shooting pg.

With favors and Rudy our defense will be good no matter what. So we need to think about how to get our offense to be better. Having hood, hayward, and a great three point shooting pg would go along way to get this team elite at both ends

 

[Gameface]

I like this paragraph. And honestly I don't even think our pg needs to be three and D.
I think rudy, favors, hayward, and hood are good enough defensively, and we have a good enough defensive philosophy and team defense that our pg doesn't even need to be all that good defensively.
I would just love to have a great three point shooting pg.

With favors and Rudy our defense will be good no matter what. So we need to think about how to get our offense to be better. Having hood, hayward, and a great three point shooting pg would go along way to get this team elite at both ends

We've been getting burned by the better PGs in the league all year. I thing a good defensive PG (Exum) is the key to making the defense legitimately elite.

 

[fishonjazz]

We've been getting burned by the better PGs in the league all year. I thing a good defensive PG (Exum) is the key to making the defense legitimately elite.

What is the defense ranked this year (without exum) when favors and Gobert are healthy?
I have no idea but I bet it's top 5 or so (wouldn't be surprised if it was even #1 or #2), which I consider to be elite.

I watch our offense struggle in almost every game. Seems like we have sub 20 point quarters every single game. I maintain that our defense will be good as long as we have favors and Gobert. Our offense needs to get allot better though.

Btw I'm not against getting a good defensive pg and not saying that pg defense doesn't matter at all... I just think a pg who is a threat offensively helps our team more than a pg who plays good defense.


I also really wish Snyder would try more zone defense, specifically a 3-2 zone.
Put three guys out by the three point line defensively and don't give up threes and force everyone into the paint where favors and Gobert await