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Trade Favors Before Long

Eenie-Meenie said:
If Favors goes elsewhere, we could re-sign Trevor Booker. I think he'll be a free agent after this season.
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So if we lose Favors we can get a guy who is about 1/3 the player Favors is? That's pretty comforting...
 
Favs is hitting the open long 2 around 50% of the time. I get that it isn't the most desirable shot, but that is fine for our limited offense and is enough to help create space.

He's doing the other Favors things that make him unique as well. Guarding on the perimeter and still providing post defense and rim protection.

He might be our long term answer at PF... I'm not trading him unless I'm given a great deal. I think he sticks around if this progress continues.
 
Catchall said:
When Favors steps out 18 - 20 feet, is his defender following him, or just staying back to clog the paint? Spacing isn't about where Favors stands, it's about whether he's a good enough shooter to draw his defender away from Rudy.
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If I'm the opposing coach, letting him shoot it all day. Much better than getting hit with an Ingles 3 or Gobert slam.
 
Jazz4ever said:
If I'm the opposing coach, letting him shoot it all day. Much better than getting hit with an Ingles 3 or Gobert slam.
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This. Until he shows he is like Sabonis or Nowitzki level at hitting that shot, or even Griffin level, they will let him have it all day long and clog the paint. And very very likely he will end up hitting it at about a 40% clip if he is pretty solid at it. As an opposing coach I give him that shot all day every day. I take the potential 0.8 points as opposed to giving up the potential 1.35 points (Ingles 3 at 45% shooting) or even the potential 1.4 points (Gobert under the rim at 70%) all day long. For us that is a poor exchange in the long run. Unless he ends up being far better at it than is likely, then even him hitting it at a 50% clip is a potential 1 point vs the other options. It is ok to bail us out in a pinch or if it is a clear open shot, but it is in no way a sound strategy.
 
LogGrad98 said:
This. Until he shows he is like Sabonis or Nowitzki level at hitting that shot, or even Griffin level, they will let him have it all day long and clog the paint. And very very likely he will end up hitting it at about a 40% clip if he is pretty solid at it. As an opposing coach I give him that shot all day every day. I take the potential 0.8 points as opposed to giving up the potential 1.35 points (Ingles 3 at 45% shooting) or even the potential 1.4 points (Gobert under the rim at 70%) all day long. For us that is a poor exchange in the long run. Unless he ends up being far better at it than is likely, then even him hitting it at a 50% clip is a potential 1 point vs the other options. It is ok to bail us out in a pinch or if it is a clear open shot, but it is in no way a sound strategy.
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If he is wide open he is hitting it at 50%. He's not shooting it a lot right now. We can't get gobert dunks and Ingles threes every time down the court. It is preferable, but not always possible.

If he hits it at 45% and shoots 4 a game it isn't that big a deal... you also have to consider these players aren't robots processing data. They remember sagging off and him hitting them.

I've had rec games where I went like 3/10 on threes and guys were saying "good shooting" after the game... they remember the makes more than the misses. 45% is enough to keep a defense honest... If he shoots 10 a game it becomes an issue. We are not good enough on offense to be dictating every shot we get.

Favs is also defending well... against bigs and perimeter guys. His post scoring isn't great, but punishing dudes going small on him takes it's toll too.

I feel like it is working thus far. Why do people want to trade the guy?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
If he is wide open he is hitting it at 50%. He's not shooting it a lot right now. We can't get gobert dunks and Ingles threes every time down the court. It is preferable, but not always possible.

If he hits it at 45% and shoots 4 a game it isn't that big a deal... you also have to consider these players aren't robots processing data. They remember sagging off and him hitting them.

I've had rec games where I went like 3/10 on threes and guys were saying "good shooting" after the game... they remember the makes more than the misses. 45% is enough to keep a defense honest... If he shoots 10 a game it becomes an issue. We are not good enough on offense to be dictating every shot we get.

Favs is also defending well... against bigs and perimeter guys. His post scoring isn't great, but punishing dudes going small on him takes it's toll too.

I feel like it is working thus far. Why do people want to trade the guy?
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Because his back/knee/foot is about to go out.
 
str8line said:
Because his back/knee/foot is about to go out.
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We should trade AB, Hood then too and only take back guys who never get hurt.

Also, what are we getting for him? If he gets hurt this year his contract expires and we just let him walk... or sign him super duper cheap. The case for trading him is not great.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
We should trade AB, Hood then too and only take back guys who never get hurt.

Also, what are we getting for him? If he gets hurt this year his contract expires and we just let him walk... or sign him super duper cheap. The case for trading him is not great.
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True, but keep the feelers out there. Same with Hood and AB. I don't put much faith in any of them.
 
Bulletproof said:
So if we lose Favors we can get a guy who is about 1/3 the player Favors is? That's pretty comforting...
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I didn't say trade him for Booker. What if he bolts, at least we can get a guy who is great locker room guy, ultimate teammate and hustle player who liked being here. No he's not as good, but if we had him last year when Favs was hurt instead of Lyles, we probably would've won five more games.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Yes, I'm sure Favors will hit the long 2 at 50% for an entire season.
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If they leave him wide open(what people suggest as an option for (not)guarding Favors) for the whole season, he will hit 50%. Most NBA players will if they knew nobody will be contesting their shots.
 
stitches said:
If they leave him wide open(what people suggest as an option for (not)guarding Favors) for the whole season, he will hit 50%. Most NBA players will if they knew nobody will be contesting their shots.
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I understand. The suggestion was ludicrous though and it won't happen for very long anyway. I'd be shocked if he even hits 45% from the year from the long 2.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
I understand. The suggestion was ludicrous though and it won't happen for very long anyway. I'd be shocked if he even hits 45% from the year from the long 2.
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I think he did that over a season a couple years ago.

It's ludicrous to suggest trading him for peanuts right now. Dude has been good and isn't the issue. We need more creation of offense and need to get to the free throw line. Trading Favs doesn't solve that.

If he had a contract we needed to get off then we could do it but he's expiring. Who's giving up a first for him... and what salary are we taking back. This thread is trash.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think he did that over a season a couple years ago.

It's ludicrous to suggest trading him for peanuts right now. Dude has been good and isn't the issue. We need more creation of offense and need to get to the free throw line. Trading Favs doesn't solve that.

If he had a contract we needed to get off then we could do it but he's expiring. Who's giving up a first for him... and what salary are we taking back. This thread is trash.
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Please provide a link.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Please provide a link.
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Shot 43% from straight away long 2... two years ago... look it up on vorped if you like...

I don't believe they tracked how open a shot was until recently. 45-50 on wide open long twos is reasonable to me. He has his legs under him. His jumper looks really good.

It ain't the best shot in the world but our offense isn't extremely dynamic. For those saying to trade Favs go ahead and propose some that both teams might do and let me know how that makes us better.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Shot 43% from straight away long 2... two years ago... look it up on vorped if you like...

I don't believe they tracked how open a shot was until recently. 45-50 on wide open long twos is reasonable to me. He has his legs under him. His jumper looks really good.

It ain't the best shot in the world but our offense isn't extremely dynamic. For those saying to trade Favs go ahead and propose some that both teams might do and let me know how that makes us better.
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Right. So he didn't shoot 50%. Or even 45%. He shot 43% (which sucks overall so far as efficiency goes) from straight on. I presume that overall for the long 2 he shot worse, maybe even much worse (40-41%?) since you chose to cherrypick his straight on stats.

In short, leaving him wide open is irrelevant. It's the ****ing NBA. Nobody is left wide open all season long.

Unless you're MKG maybe.

But I do agree that when he is wide open, he should take that shot, so long as he continues to hit it at a solid rate.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Right. So he didn't shoot 50%. Or even 45%. He shot 43% (which sucks overall so far as efficiency goes) from straight on. I presume that overall for the long 2 he shot worse, maybe even much worse (40-41%?) since you chose to cherrypick his straight on stats.

In short, leaving him wide open is irrelevant. It's the ****ing NBA. Nobody is left wide open all season long.

Unless you're MKG maybe.

But I do agree that when he is wide open, he should take that shot, so long as he continues to hit it at a solid rate.
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I said 45-50 on wide open ones.. the 43% includes all from that distance. Defender distance was not tracked then.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Right. So he didn't shoot 50%. Or even 45%. He shot 43% (which sucks overall so far as efficiency goes) from straight on. I presume that overall for the long 2 he shot worse, maybe even much worse (40-41%?) since you chose to cherrypick his straight on stats.

In short, leaving him wide open is irrelevant. It's the ****ing NBA. Nobody is left wide open all season long.

Unless you're MKG maybe.

But I do agree that when he is wide open, he should take that shot, so long as he continues to hit it at a solid rate.
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Also wasn't the whole argument that teams will play off of him and leave him wide open? I'm confused are they sagging way off him and guarding him too. If they close hard he's able to drive and has done well with his interior passing.

All of this is dumb right now... we'd get like a second and an equally flawed expiring. The optics and chemistry gets affected. There is no risk to keeping favors and I argue more risk in trading him.

If it was AB you could make an argument that we should trade him now to get off of his money.
 
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