Trade Idea!

[Stifle Tower]

Come on everybody, "Nik Rocks!"

His name is now One Love.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

You compared Kanter to Steph Curry, that's a little unfair in your example. I think the saying is supposed to mean "If you have 2 players with similar production, never go for the little guy". With what you said, someone could easily say, "well, you could trade Jeff Malone for Patrick Ewing and get better with going big."

The post said NEVER trade big for small, so I used an absurd example to show the flaw in the logic of dismissing a trade simply based on we are trading a big and they are trading a small... that's all.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I'm thinking, yes we should make that trade. We should be able to get a little more out of them too.


Gobert is our guy folks. Do you really think it's gonna be a good idea to pay a back up big a bunch of money? Is Kanter gonna be ok with a bench role?

That's the key part of the equation. WE can say Favors, Gobert and Kanter would be a great combo, but one has to be willing to come off the bench. Going forward, I don't think that's Rudy; he's said he wants to be a starter and he SHOULD start at the 5. Favors has shown he can be a 20/10 player (or close to it) at the PF position. Booker is developing into a decent shooter; he can be our third or fourth big. And the Jazz can draft a player like WCS or Turner to get the minutes at the 5 behind Gobert.

How is Stauskas on defense?

 

[Chargers Jazz Angels]

would you do this trade

kanter + Novak

for

Jason Thompson + Nik stauskas + a second round pick

this actually should happen

 

[Hotdog]

That's the key part of the equation. WE can say Favors, Gobert and Kanter would be a great combo, but one has to be willing to come off the bench. Going forward, I don't think that's Rudy; he's said he wants to be a starter and he SHOULD start at the 5. Favors has shown he can be a 20/10 player (or close to it) at the PF position. Booker is developing into a decent shooter; he can be our third or fourth big. And the Jazz can draft a player like WCS or Turner to get the minutes at the 5 behind Gobert.

How is Stauskas on defense?

Not sure how his defense is.

I'm pretty sure he'll be a good offensive player though. He's still really young, and he show a lot of promise in his passing and dribbling. And we all know he's a really good shooter.

Anyone who thinks Stauskas is a bust already is dumb. He's just not getting playing time in Sacramento.


I think he's an intelligent guy and could probably learn to play good team defense. But with Rudy and Favors, we can afford to have some more offensive minded players. Especially a shooter. I know we have Hood, but having both can't hurt. 2 is probably enough of the pure shooter types, but I wouldn't say 1 is. So I don't think since we have Hood that we should count Stauskas out. It would be nice to have some really good shooters on the team.

 

[NAOS]

Stauskas is a poor defender.

No matter how hard you try, you can't brush off the fact that his main problem is getting physically outmatched.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Pass. Stauskas has been brutal so far.

3 more years on a rookie contract and you can always not pick up his option if he ends up being a clear bust.

 

[Doublea]

this actually should happen

 

[NAOS]

I would like Thompson as a bench guy.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

We just got to find the team that actually wants to sign Kanter and just get some scraps from them.

 

[framer]

We just got to find the team that actually wants to sign Kanter and just get some scraps from them.

Honestly, that would really be Sacramento. They need some effective bigs in the worst way. Knowing that, it still amazes me that they drafted Stauskas. Imagine if they had somehow acquired Gobert to pair with Cousins. I floated the idea of trading Gobert to them for their pick plus us taking salary so they could resign Thomas. They all thought that was ridiculous. Turns out that it was. . .

 

[Stifle Tower]

Not sure how his defense is.

I'm pretty sure he'll be a good offensive player though. He's still really young, and he show a lot of promise in his passing and dribbling. And we all know he's a really good shooter.

Anyone who thinks Stauskas is a bust already is dumb. He's just not getting playing time in Sacramento.


I think he's an intelligent guy and could probably learn to play good team defense. But with Rudy and Favors, we can afford to have some more offensive minded players. Especially a shooter. I know we have Hood, but having both can't hurt. 2 is probably enough of the pure shooter types, but I wouldn't say 1 is. So I don't think since we have Hood that we should count Stauskas out. It would be nice to have some really good shooters on the team.

Of all the trades proposed, I think this one makes the most sense for both teams. However, I think the Jazz - if they do eventually trade Enes - won't pull the trigger until after the draft (S&T or next season). If they did trade Enes now for a wing, they'd probably be locked into drafting a big. I think they'll want to keep their options open. If Johnson is the BPA, you take him and have a great rotation of Hayward, Burks and Johnson, with Hood and Ingles behind those three. Trade for Stauskas and that would be too many wings if you picked up another in the draft. Jazz would need to take someone like Porzingis, WCS or Turner to replace Enes in the rotation (provided Utah doesn't win a top-3 pick).

 

[Dr. Jones]

I hate it.

 

[framer]

Of all the trades proposed, I think this one makes the most sense for both teams. However, I think the Jazz - if they do eventually trade Enes - won't pull the trigger until after the draft (S&T or next season). If they did trade Enes now for a wing, they'd probably be locked into drafting a big. I think they'll want to keep their options open. If Johnson is the BPA, you take him and have a great rotation of Hayward, Burks and Johnson, with Hood and Ingles behind those three. Trade for Stauskas and that would be too many wings if you picked up another in the draft. Jazz would need to take someone like Porzingis, WCS or Turner to replace Enes in the rotation (provided Utah doesn't win a top-3 pick).

Or, you can do like winning teams do and draft a youngster you don't have to force into the starting lineup right away. That way you can develop high lottery guys with quality minutes on the bench to see what you have and then make good decisions based on performance rather than potential. If the Jazz swap out Kanter for a quality wing, it doesn't mean they are forced to take a big. If we trade Kanter for a Rookie contract guy we would have some money to sign a bench big with little problem.

 

[Dr. Jones]

How about Enes for Patrick Patterson? He is #8 in the NBA in 3pt%. Definite stretch.

"Being taller than everybody, I was forced to play the 5," Patterson said. "In college my first 2 years, I was a center at 6'8, so to that I credit my post defense and (Coach) Calipari, he came in my junior year, he introduced me to the perimeter game. He allowed me to shoot the ball, put the ball on the floor and that allowed me to transition to the NBA.

"It opened up my game. Had I not stayed with DeMarcus (Cousins) and John (Wall), I would have come out as a 6'8 center. A guy who had never stepped out to the three-point line or even taken an 18' jump shot, I would be pretty much a version of Chuck (Hayes), but not as strong and not as wide. That would have been my game, just around the basket and then I would have had to start from scratch when I got to the NBA. Coming back with John and DeMarcus and Calipari is definitely the reason that I am the type of player I am today."

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Kanter and Cousins make no sense to pair together. I don't think he is someone the Kings want to pay.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

No one wants to feel forced to pay a lot of money for Kanter this off-season.

 

[Hotdog]

I hate it.

Why?

 

[Dr. Jones]

Why?

Because I think Kanter has more value than Stauskus?

 

[Hotdog]

No one wants to feel forced to pay a lot of money for Kanter this off-season.

Ya, but don't you think teams would be more willing to trade for him now when they aren't sure what he'll get paid, and would have at least a little bit if time to evaluate before he gets a big deal?

Think how hard it's going to be to trade Kanter if and when he gets a big contact. What if he doesn't really improve over the next couple years, he's riding the bench and not producing much, and on a big contract. Hell be practically immovable at that point.

That's one of my biggest fears right now for this team. We can't get saddled with bad contacts. Burks is already an iffy bad contract.

Bad contracts are what destroy franchises.


Let's not forget that Kanter has been a regular on Shaqtin a fool. That doesn't exactly say future superstar.