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Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

If I'm the Jazz I'm seriously exploring any way to get a '24 pick, unprotected if possible, from anywhere. It would be nice to have some security of a pick that year but it would also enable the Jazz to more cleanly negotiate a '24 swap with the Knicks. I would be targeting a team that could seriously be in a championship window and is not concerned about sending an unprotected pick. The Warriors come to mind but I'm not sure how to match salary with the win-now players we could send out. But that kind of idea.
 
NUMBERICA said:
If I'm the Jazz I'm seriously exploring any way to get a '24 pick, unprotected if possible, from anywhere. It would be nice to have some security of a pick that year but it would also enable the Jazz to more cleanly negotiate a '24 swap with the Knicks. I would be targeting a team that could seriously be in a championship window and is not concerned about sending an unprotected pick. The Warriors come to mind but I'm not sure how to match salary with the win-now players we could send out. But that kind of idea.
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I could be wrong but I believe you can’t swap a pick that wasn’t originally yours.
 
NUMBERICA said:
If I'm the Jazz I'm seriously exploring any way to get a '24 pick, unprotected if possible, from anywhere. It would be nice to have some security of a pick that year but it would also enable the Jazz to more cleanly negotiate a '24 swap with the Knicks. I would be targeting a team that could seriously be in a championship window and is not concerned about sending an unprotected pick. The Warriors come to mind but I'm not sure how to match salary with the win-now players we could send out. But that kind of idea.
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Jazz would need to have a '24 pick to begin with in order to swap it. I don't think they can swap a pick that might convey elsewhere.
 
Elizah Huge said:
I could be wrong but I believe you can’t swap a pick that wasn’t originally yours.
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I don't believe that's true and am not sure why it would be. I can see why you wouldn't be able to swap a pick with protections on it (that is not a team's own pick), which is why I'm talking about getting it unprotected.

If you can't do a swap with any other team's picks then that makes the Favors blunder even more incredibly bad.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Jazz would need to have a '24 pick to begin with in order to swap it. I don't think they can swap a pick that might convey elsewhere.
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All of those points are addressed in the post you just quoted. The entire point is to acquire the pick for the purpose of getting a swap because the Jazz's might convey elsewhere.
 
NUMBERICA said:
All of those points are addressed in the post you just quoted. The entire point is to acquire the pick for the purpose of getting a swap because the Jazz's might convey elsewhere.
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Okay, then you're right. The Jazz could acquire another pick from somewhere and stipulate that NYK gets the higher or lower pick between NYK's pick and this new pick. It's the same deal as the Jazz have with Philadelphia and Brooklyn in '23, where the Jazz get the lower of three picks.
 
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NUMBERICA said:
I don't believe that's true and am not sure why it would be. I can see why you wouldn't be able to swap a pick with protections on it (that is not a team's own pick), which is why I'm talking about getting it unprotected.

If you can't do a swap with any other team's picks then that makes the Favors blunder even more incredibly bad.
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You can do swaps with other picks... for example we own the lesser of the Houston and Philly firsts we got through Brooklyn. There are numerous second round picks that involve 3-4 teams where it tells you teams get the lesser of pick xyz... another team gets a different one... and they lay out the full order.

The thing I don't know is can you do a blind swap... so can you say "we get the right to swap your 2024 pick for our pick or any other 1st we acquire before X date". The swaps are there because of Stepien rule... not sure why you couldn't do it because the Stepien rule would be satisfied.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
You can do swaps with other picks... for example we own the lesser of the Houston and Philly firsts we got through Brooklyn. There are numerous second round picks that involve 3-4 teams where it tells you teams get the lesser of pick xyz... another team gets a different one... and they lay out the full order.

The thing I don't know is can you do a blind swap... so can you say "we get the right to swap your 2024 pick for our pick or any other 1st we acquire before X date". The swaps are there because of Stepien rule... not sure why you couldn't do it because the Stepien rule would be satisfied.
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I can see all of that being true but I am content not knowing every single detail but hoping someone else might. Either way, I want a swap in play for '24. My #1 goal if I'm Ainge is owning the Knicks draft for seven years. Four picks, three swaps. Anything else is gravy, but I don't need five or six picks.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
You can do swaps with other picks... for example we own the lesser of the Houston and Philly firsts we got through Brooklyn. There are numerous second round picks that involve 3-4 teams where it tells you teams get the lesser of pick xyz... another team gets a different one... and they lay out the full order.

The thing I don't know is can you do a blind swap... so can you say "we get the right to swap your 2024 pick for our pick or any other 1st we acquire before X date". The swaps are there because of Stepien rule... not sure why you couldn't do it because the Stepien rule would be satisfied.
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The bottom part is what I was alluding to. If we had a pick prior to the deal that wasn’t ours we can put it in the language. If we don’t prior to the deal I don’t know if you are allowed to.
 
Elizah Huge said:
The bottom part is what I was alluding to. If we had a pick prior to the deal that wasn’t ours we can put it in the language. If we don’t prior to the deal I don’t know if you are allowed to.
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That's what my post was alluding to but didn't spell out explicitly; I would ideally hope to make a deal for this mystery '24 pick BEFORE the Donovan deal closes. Just seems a lot cleaner.
 
NUMBERICA said:
If I'm the Jazz I'm seriously exploring any way to get a '24 pick, unprotected if possible, from anywhere. It would be nice to have some security of a pick that year but it would also enable the Jazz to more cleanly negotiate a '24 swap with the Knicks. I would be targeting a team that could seriously be in a championship window and is not concerned about sending an unprotected pick. The Warriors come to mind but I'm not sure how to match salary with the win-now players we could send out. But that kind of idea.
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The good news is we'll have at least 4 picks in the 2023 draft. One of those could easily be flipped on draft night for a '24 pick.

Doesn't help the swap to your point but we will absolutely be in that draft.
 
Elizah Huge said:
The bottom part is what I was alluding to. If we had a pick prior to the deal that wasn’t ours we can put it in the language. If we don’t prior to the deal I don’t know if you are allowed to.
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I don't see why not... but it hasn't been done before.
 
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