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Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

jazfan23 said:
Anunoby just had a bad fall
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The injury makes him MORE attractive for me. We collect an asset that doesn't help us win this year. The jazz have been like 3 - 4 losses out of a bottom 6 pick for a while. Hopefully he is out for a month and we rack up a nice 3 - 10 run in time to close out the season.

Trading a few assets plus cashing in some picks on OG makes tons of sense to me positional too. Ainge loves positionless basketball and length. Og is long, fills a defensive role without sacrificing shooting. Plus, he can play the 2, 3, or 4 with this lineup.

Grab a top pick in the 2023 draft and the rebuild is fast tracked like crazy.

Nets 2023 + 1 cavs and 1 wolves pick plus Olynyk or Vanderbilt for Og. Who says no?
 
LogGrad98 said:
Grant would be perfect for us.
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It basically says he’s going to re-sign after the season cuz he will get more… guess him and Dame are tight. Hart is widely believed to be available though.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
OG is getting so overrated. If he’s so awesome and he has awesome teammates why are they such trash. If he’s this DPOY candidate why isnt their defense elite. He’s a good player but things are getting really wild with him.
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Well overrated is a very subjective term. Him leading DPOY might have had him overrated, but he excels against certain player types including some of the most elite players.

You know this guy:
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Don vs OG (career):
19.9 PPG in 33.4 MPG (9 games)
FG 38.0%, 3P 29.4%
BPM -72

And this guy:
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Steph vs OG (career):
22.2 PPG in 34.8 MPG (6 games)
FG 40.2%, 3P 28.6%
BPM 0

As for Toronto being bad, you have seen it and you know their weird schemes and personnel concepts. Their big wing concept and no true bigs is getting them killed on either 3 (if they drop) or paint (if they dont).

Btw did you know they actually only have 1 guy in their entire roster (Rookie Christian Koloko) who is even taller than 6"9?
 
Oh and I will be first to point out there are guys in this league who have had OGs number.

But I think if he has a safety net like Kessler behind him taking away pressure to stop all drives through the middle, he will be a menace on the perimeter.
 
Jaanipoeg said:
What would that even be? DLo is making $31M and Covington is like $12M. That trade would take multiple of Jackson, Kennard, Wall, Morris, etc. to make it happen, so I don't see how just Covington being out should be some sort of sign.
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31 million? Holy ****.
Lol i hope they cant find a trade partner


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The Jazz Wonderbra said:
The injury makes him MORE attractive for me. We collect an asset that doesn't help us win this year. The jazz have been like 3 - 4 losses out of a bottom 6 pick for a while. Hopefully he is out for a month and we rack up a nice 3 - 10 run in time to close out the season.

Trading a few assets plus cashing in some picks on OG makes tons of sense to me positional too. Ainge loves positionless basketball and length. Og is long, fills a defensive role without sacrificing shooting. Plus, he can play the 2, 3, or 4 with this lineup.

Grab a top pick in the 2023 draft and the rebuild is fast tracked like crazy.

Nets 2023 + 1 cavs and 1 wolves pick plus Olynyk or Vanderbilt for Og. Who says no?
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I say no. I like the rest of your post though. Just think that is too much to give up for him.


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HermanG said:
Well overrated is a very subjective term. Him leading DPOY might have had him overrated, but he excels against certain player types including some of the most elite players.

You know this guy:
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Don vs OG (career):
19.9 PPG in 33.4 MPG (9 games)
FG 38.0%, 3P 29.4%
BPM -72

And this guy:
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Steph vs OG (career):
22.2 PPG in 34.8 MPG (6 games)
FG 40.2%, 3P 28.6%
BPM 0

As for Toronto being bad, you have seen it and you know their weird schemes and personnel concepts. Their big wing concept and no true bigs is getting them killed on either 3 (if they drop) or paint (if they dont).

Btw did you know they actually only have 1 guy in their entire roster (Rookie Christian Koloko) who is even taller than 6"9?
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Wow at that last sentence. Unprecedented


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How about Minny gets kenard, Jackson back, and Gay from us. Lac gets Conley and we get Russell. It clears salary from us next year since he is expiring for those that like that. We also can see how he fits since he's pretty good in the pick and roll. Lac gets the pg they want and we do Conley a favor sending him to a contender. Minny gets back Jackson who seemed to fit well. It's a pretty great trade all around. The only downside is if it helps Minny improve. It could also help us which is a downside to some. If we go this route I would really push to trade Clarkson hopefully for a good defender.
 
Ron Mexico said:
How about Minny gets kenard, Jackson back, and Gay from us. Lac gets Conley and we get Russell. It clears salary from us next year since he is expiring for those that like that. We also can see how he fits since he's pretty good in the pick and roll. Lac gets the pg they want and we do Conley a favor sending him to a contender. Minny gets back Jackson who seemed to fit well. It's a pretty great trade all around. The only downside is if it helps Minny improve. It could also help us which is a downside to some. If we go this route I would really push to trade Clarkson hopefully for a good defender.
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Pretty good trade. For me, I dont want Russell so i would do this trade simply for the cap relief. Which is fine. Young players always want more on the next contract and he is making 31 million now?! No way I would want to re-sign him unless it was for a TON less. If we traded for him I would prefer that he simply sits on the bench behind our 3 other point guards tbh. I dont even want to see how he fits. I know that wouldn't happen though. Im sure he would be our starter from day one.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
Hmmm... I am hoping we can do better, especially after everyone saying it's a sellers market, but this is probably realistic.

I don't think Ainge values 2nds, and so if this is what we end up with it will indicate we really wanted to move those guys.

I kind of have a feeling we move Mike, but I'm wondering how much his preference will be considered. At the start of the season Mike was saying he didn't want to get traded because of his family, but also wanted to go play for a contender. I'm curious what he is currently thinking.
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Sellers market but 5 teams own half the picks lmao
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
My prediction...

Vando ends up in Portland or Indiana... we get a meh return for him (good seconds)
We move Beasley and Gay to Cleveland for Levert and Windler (and maybe some seconds)

Clear some salary cap room and take a look at Levert... let a few guys get some dev time.

We try to move Mike but no good deals happen. We manage the eff outta Mike's loads and he is moved in the offseason.
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fishonjazz said:
Ya i dont want him. At all


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Agree. Levert makes zero sense for us.
 
If the price isn't right, there is no hurry to trade anyone. If they are tradeable now, they are also tradeable at the draft and in the offseason. Trade them when the value is there for us. I want no part of second round picks, or long term trash contracts.

Our assets are not going to become more valuable playing in a role they are not ready for. Vando, NAW, or THT should not be starting. Kessler should and will be. Gay's minutes will shrink now that Olynyk is back.

All that being said, it mystifies me why some teams aren't on the horn about Clarkson. He would help so many teams.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Perimeter defenders can't make your defense elite on their own.
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I get that but at some point with everyone slobbering over how good Barnes is or Pascal is or OG is… like… how come their team is complete ***.

He’s a good defender, he’s a good shooter (but not great), and all this trade talk assumes he has something magical in his offensive bag that is hidden… he doesn’t. He might get a few more shots but he’s like not all that efficient already.

He’s worth two unprotected picks to a team like Phoenix or Memphis that have big aspirations but the trade value they have placed on his is wild. For us if it was like Ochai and a Cavs/Minny pick that is as far as I’d go… and I’d rather just hang tight.
 
Ron Mexico said:
As he should be. I don't think there would be much interest in him, including us.
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Yeah teams won’t be interested in a good defensive wing with some unique offensive elements on a solid one year contract… he will have a wide market. If we aren’t in sell mode we should be interested.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Yeah I know. I think it will be a bit of a dud after a lot of noise.
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I'm starting to agree. Was listening to a podcast yesterday with Nate and John Hollinger as they touched on every team ahead of the deadline. Nothing earth shattering but they didn't seem to think Vando, Beasley, or Conley had first round value in this market. Doesn't sound like the Clips are willing to send anything good for Conley. Miami might be willing to give a FRP for Olynyk if the Jazz take back Duncan Robinson (yuk). Things can obviously change by 2/9.

They also mentioned Hawks want a FRP in the package for Collins. They think Indiana might be the one team to do it since they have extra FRP's and a ton of capspace. It pretty much depends if they decide to keep or trade Turner though. There are obviously a few other bigs on the market such as Poeltl.

Teams are waiting to see if the Raptors and Bulls decide to tear it down. Potentially they are the ones holding the most valued trade assets. OTOH it's also very possible that
Gary Trent Jr might be the only player that ends up being traded from Toronto by the deadline.

Ofc a handful of teams control most of the FRP's so it's going to be difficult to get good draft capital for any player unless it's a star. There are guys (such as Clarkson) who could really help a contender like PHX or the Lakers but LA has already made it known they aren't trading their '27/'29 FRP's unless they can get a star. Dallas is in the same boat as they owe their '23 pick and might be waiting until after it conveys to combine their picks for a 2nd star to play next to Luka. However, Dallas might be getting desperate and they could potentially send a FRP to get off Bertans' contract if it brings back a player who can actually contribute this season. Orlando was the other team who might be willing to take on a youngish player as they have a history of acquiring these types of guys (Carter Jr, Fultz, etc) at the deadline. Milwuakee is looking to add a player for their playoff run. Philly wants to get involved but they have nothing to trade. Boston might look to add another big man. Min/Cle desperate to fill holes but Ainge already cleaned them out of draft capital.
 
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