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Saint Cy of JFC said:
Now tell me how well he played in the 4th quarters of close games, you know, the thing choking entails.
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Sure. Had he not dominated the first 3 quarters there wouldn't need any moment for choking. Like when we were down double digits in G7 against denver then he carried us back into the game, only for his backcourt partner to shoot 2-13 and bury us.
 
Robert Williams, Looney and others like them are good options, but they are still only playing about 20mpg in these important games.

Small ball is still the way to go. I would be prioritizing John Collins if he's available. He could develop into a good small ball center for a long, long time.


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And yes, getting an 8 second violation in the final minutes of a close game is much much much worse than missing a game winning 3 pointer. It's throwing away a possession by being a space cadet, something Mitchell does constantly on defense.
 
LoPo said:
How dare you bring up our most disappointing playoff performer when Cy is trying to slander Donovan Mitchell.

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I mean Jokic got gentleman swept out of the first round. Embiid collapsed in the second. And we are talking about the two best players in the league this season. Even the best player can't carry his team to the W alone. Mitchell surely has his flaws but between him and the supporting cast we got around him, we all know who deserve the bigger blame.
 
LoPo said:
Robert Williams, Looney and others like them are good options, but they are still only playing about 20mpg in these important games.

Small ball is still the way to go. I would be prioritizing John Collins if he's available. He could develop into a good small ball center for a long, long time.


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Looney played 28 minutes per game last series...Dray got 30. Robert Williams would play more if healthy... he was basically limping through 15 minutes the other night. Al Horford is effective and is a unicorn... but he also needs Brown, Tatum, Smart, and Grant to help him anchor that defense.

John plays like almost no minutes at the 5... he played center for like 5 minutes a night in the Philly series...Capela played 33 minutes per game that series. The small guys supplement the anchors... unless you have AD or Horford... and even those guys need someone to play 25+ minutes to carry that burden. John is a guy that can play 12 minutes at center maybe... but needs other wings around that will do the heavy lifting. Collins at the 5 with Donovan would set some records for points allowed if you ran that way for 20+ minutes a night.

If you put John in the Celtics starting lineup he'd be the worst defender of the group.
 
I just don't think this playoff is the one to point to as the death of the big man. GS has had a ton of luck to get to the finals. They are very good but get a hobbled Denver team... Ja leaves in the middle of their series... Dallas stopped making shots. I think Boston may beat them if they can be somewhat smart.

Boston has Horford, Robert Williams, and also Theis... then has a stable of wings that includes Grant Williams who can play the 5 like a PJ Tucker. They have a diverse set of bigs and its part of the reason they have survived a friggin gauntlet.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I just don't think this playoff is the one to point to as the death of the big man. GS has had a ton of luck to get to the finals. They are very good but get a hobbled Denver team... Ja leaves in the middle of their series... Dallas stopped making shots. I think Boston may beat them if they can be somewhat smart.

Boston has Horford, Robert Williams, and also Theis... then has a stable of wings that includes Grant Williams who can play the 5 like a PJ Tucker. They have a diverse set of bigs and its part of the reason they have survived a friggin gauntlet.
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Everyone here knows this, they just want to deflect as much blame as possible from Donovan.
 
The little bit of small ball 5 that Collins played this year went... uhhhhh not well. His two man splits are best when he is paired with Clint Capela. He's really a straight 4.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I just don't think this playoff is the one to point to as the death of the big man. GS has had a ton of luck to get to the finals. They are very good but get a hobbled Denver team... Ja leaves in the middle of their series... Dallas stopped making shots. I think Boston may beat them if they can be somewhat smart.

Boston has Horford, Robert Williams, and also Theis... then has a stable of wings that includes Grant Williams who can play the 5 like a PJ Tucker. They have a diverse set of bigs and its part of the reason they have survived a friggin gauntlet.
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I have never said big men aren't important. They are.

It's just that you can platoon the position with versatility as well or better than using $40 million on one kind of center.

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LoPo said:
I have never said big men aren't important. They are.

It's just that you can platoon the position with versatility as well or better than using $40 million on one kind of center.

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On the highest end outcomes it looks good... but there are a lot of factors. Like Looney and Green can be better in GS or maybe as good... but its partly because Green's deficiencies are covered with Steph's gravity.

Horford/Williams etc. is unique to find.

A lot of times it looks like what the Hornets have done or what NY gets.

If you trade Rudy you almost NEED to get a Capela type as well... I wouldn't spin him off to a third team. He can give you 25-30 minutes in almost any matchup and becomes necessary in some matchups. You can't roll with Bismack Biyombo (or Whiteside or Udoka or any other minimum dude) for 20 minutes and expect to be a high level playoff team.

Its also really hard to find the versatile big man to pair with your more traditional big.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
On the highest end outcomes it looks good... but there are a lot of factors. Like Looney and Green can be better in GS or maybe as good... but its partly because Green's deficiencies are covered with Steph's gravity.

Horford/Williams etc. is unique to find.

A lot of times it looks like what the Hornets have done or what NY gets.

If you trade Rudy you almost NEED to get a Capela type as well... I wouldn't spin him off to a third team. He can give you 25-30 minutes in almost any matchup and becomes necessary in some matchups. You can't roll with Bismack Biyombo (or Whiteside or Udoka or any other minimum dude) for 20 minutes and expect to be a high level playoff team.

Its also really hard to find the versatile big man to pair with your more traditional big.
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What do you feel about:

Rudy for OG and Trent Jr

then

Bojan for Capela

Don
Trent
OG
Royce
Capela

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