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Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

Jingled said:
Andy Larsen said on the radio that it's his understanding that there is still a pretty large distance in negotiations right now between what the Jazz are asking for and what teams are willing to give up. He said negotiations may budge as we get closer to the draft, or the Jazz may wait until later in the summer to make any moves or possibly even wait until the trade deadline. Says Ainge will wait to make a trade until he can get the best value.
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If he isn't traded at or before the draft I don't think it happens. Definitely don't think it happens in season. We should have more urgency here. I think Atlanta, Charlotte, likely move on... there may be other options that open up... but you have to realize that Rudy is super talented and awesome but has a limited market. Not sure waiting to get 15% more (if you can) is wise.

Everyone talks about Morey waiting and winning because of it... did he? Burned up a year of Embiid and it doesn't look so hot. Rudy's situation is different but the situation is tenuous and if he gets hurt you aren't getting anything. If the value is close enough you should do it now and move into the season completely fresh... if it hangs over the team good luck getting the best out of everyone. If the value is completely **** then obviously wait.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
If he isn't traded at or before the draft I don't think it happens. Definitely don't think it happens in season. We should have more urgency here. I think Atlanta, Charlotte, likely move on... there may be other options that open up... but you have to realize that Rudy is super talented and awesome but has a limited market. Not sure waiting to get 15% more (if you can) is wise.

Everyone talks about Morey waiting and winning because of it... did he? Burned up a year of Embiid and it doesn't look so hot. Rudy's situation is different but the situation is tenuous and if he gets hurt you aren't getting anything. If the value is close enough you should do it now and move into the season completely fresh... if it hangs over the team good luck getting the best out of everyone. If the value is completely **** then obviously wait.
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I wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't get moved. The vibe I got from Andy makes me think there isn't a lot of urgency on Jazz's part to move him.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
If he isn't traded at or before the draft I don't think it happens. Definitely don't think it happens in season. We should have more urgency here. I think Atlanta, Charlotte, likely move on... there may be other options that open up... but you have to realize that Rudy is super talented and awesome but has a limited market. Not sure waiting to get 15% more (if you can) is wise.

Everyone talks about Morey waiting and winning because of it... did he? Burned up a year of Embiid and it doesn't look so hot. Rudy's situation is different but the situation is tenuous and if he gets hurt you aren't getting anything. If the value is close enough you should do it now and move into the season completely fresh... if it hangs over the team good luck getting the best out of everyone. If the value is completely **** then obviously wait.
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I totally agree. If he’s on the team past draft night we likely aren’t moving him.
 
Jingled said:
I wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't get moved. The vibe I got from Andy makes me think there isn't a lot of urgency on Jazz's part to move him.
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I wouldn’t be either but dealing him after the draft or at the deadline is extremely dumb.
 
Jingled said:
I wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't get moved. The vibe I got from Andy makes me think there isn't a lot of urgency on Jazz's part to move him.
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I think its kinda 50-50 still. I just think the vibes were so bad that Rudy being out there in rumors in season would mean you don't get the best out of him and it will lead to the same sniping we have had. I also worry a new coach marginalizes Rudy and his value goes down... I think the downside is likely so much bigger than the upside. I just don't know what changes that makes his value higher in season... I think if he isn't moved by draft night you play out the season with him and just say he's off the market (even if he isn't). I'd only do that if the offers were bad. Not sure where the line is... but if we got at least JC, Capela, #16 for Gobert and Gay I may just have to take it and move on. Is getting Huerter and the Charlotte pick worth waiting all season to make a trade?
 
YoungJefe said:
Why
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After the draft we don’t get to utilize draft picks in the deal and pick who we want such as pick 16 from Atlanta.

During the season is even worse because if you move on from Rudy you want to do it before the season. For one why risk injury or his value going down and for two how is that going to help you compete if you change the entire makeup of the team mid-season?
 
Elizah Huge said:
After the draft we don’t get to utilize draft picks in the deal and pick who we want such as pick 16 from Atlanta.

During the season is even worse because if you move on from Rudy you want to do it before the season. For one why risk injury or his value going down and for two how is that going to help you compete if you change the entire makeup of the team mid-season?
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In addition to those items... You also have certainty on the value of the pick you are getting. Atlanta may give a 2023 1st and it is number 27 if they have a good year... or the draft may be looking really shallow. It also gives you a chance to show Donovan (keeping Don is Ryan's goal) that he wants to stay in part because player X showed some promise... harder to do if you say "hey we have pick 21 in 2023 who could be real good". Like Embiid probably isn't excited about pick 23 this year but he likes his future with Maxey (2nd year guy I know... but that's the idea).

If the offer is JC/Capela for Rudy... then they can take a damn walk and we wait. I feel fairly strongly that we are getting a bit more than that and likely get a stronger offer by draft night.
 
LoPo said:
Just trade him already.

Ayton, Capela, and Turner all floating in the wind with Rudy.
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If we stupidly give up Gobert, I'd love Ayton. But we absolutely CANNOT trade him to a western contender like PHX or Dallas. He will become an absolute roadblock for the rest of his contract and will play with a vengeance against Utah.
 
campaignist said:
If we stupidly give up Gobert, I'd love Ayton. But we absolutely CANNOT trade him to a western contender like PHX or Dallas. He will become an absolute roadblock for the rest of his contract and will play with a vengeance against Utah.
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Oh I agree. I don't want to trade him just to trade him. I was just addressing those who want us to hold out for something that might not ever be offered.

In my personal opinion, we risk so much by bringing back Rudy to a brand new coach while his value is at it's all time highest.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
In addition to those items... You also have certainty on the value of the pick you are getting. Atlanta may give a 2023 1st and it is number 27 if they have a good year... or the draft may be looking really shallow. It also gives you a chance to show Donovan (keeping Don is Ryan's goal) that he wants to stay in part because player X showed some promise... harder to do if you say "hey we have pick 21 in 2023 who could be real good". Like Embiid probably isn't excited about pick 23 this year but he likes his future with Maxey (2nd year guy I know... but that's the idea).

If the offer is JC/Capela for Rudy... then they can take a damn walk and we wait. I feel fairly strongly that we are getting a bit more than that and likely get a stronger offer by draft night.
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Bingo. Couldn’t have said it better myself. I think we are getting a bit more than Collins/Capela as well. I think we nab 16 and another pick or Hunter/Huerter if we add something.
 
Jingled said:
I wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't get moved. The vibe I got from Andy makes me think there isn't a lot of urgency on Jazz's part to move him.
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Good. It wouldn't be a vote of confidence for a front office and administration stating that their priority, above all, is to win next year, and then choose the option that makes it worse.
 
Elizah Huge said:
After the draft we don’t get to utilize draft picks in the deal and pick who we want such as pick 16 from Atlanta.

During the season is even worse because if you move on from Rudy you want to do it before the season. For one why risk injury or his value going down and for two how is that going to help you compete if you change the entire makeup of the team mid-season?
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How much does #16 really move the needle though? We could always acquire future picks.
 
Tony Jones on Checketts show said it's not a slam dunk that Rudy gets moves and the Jazz may very well keep him, but if he does get moved, Atlanta is the most likely destination. Says the Jazz really want Hunter and the Hawks really want to keep him...says maybe the Hawks will add another first to try and get a deal done. The Jazz have durability concerns about all of Hunter, Collins and Capella.

He doesn't think a Jazz/Bulls deal is likely because the Bulls don't have much the Jazz want...thinks it would probably take Patrick Williams and 3 first round picks.

He also said he hasn't heard anything about the Wizards being willing to give up the 1oth pick for Conley, but he did say if they trade Mike or Bojan they will likely try to trade there way into the draft.
 
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Jingled said:
Tony Jones on Checketts show said it's not a slam dunk that Rudy gets moves and the Jazz may very well keep him, but if he does get moved, Atlanta is the most likely destination. Says the Jazz really want Hunter and the Hawks really want to keep him...says maybe the Hawks will add another first to try and get a deal done. The Jazz have durability concerns about all of Hunter, Collins and Capella.

He also said he hasn't heard anything about the Wizards being willing to give up the 1oth pick for Conley.
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Collins/Capela/16/Charlotte pick gets it done for me. That’s a nice haul.
 
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